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Something of an 'Am I The A-hole?' question

Many of the stores in the area have cut back on their handicap accessible parking spaces and replaced them with Curbside Pickup, Fast Pickup, or Delivery service parking.

This has caused a situation where it is super difficult for me to park in a space with the room I need to get my wheelchair in and out of my vehicle. However, the pickup spots are almost always next to the handicap hash area for extra space. So I have begun using those spaces when handicap is full.

It seems like bad etiquette, but it also feels wrong that these spots mostly used by grocery delivery services have eaten away at the very necessary and already limited accessible spaces. I do have a placard and I only use them when there are no handicap reserve spaces free.

Does this seem like I'm in the wrong? Or is the situation somewhat justified?

Additional note, some of these places have sloped parking lots, so parking at the far end and hoping nobody parks next to me and doesn't give me space is not the only risk. Taking a wheelchair up even a slight incline over a long distance is rough.
BlueVeins · 22-25
Justified dude. I had no idea this problem even existed, but now that you mention it, that makes perfect sense.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@BlueVeins yeah, handicap spaces are already pretty limited all over, but when places started converting spots it got extra rough.
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You’re completely justified. Just sorry you’ve had to experience this.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Is this a business thing ?
Is the store making a charge for use of this provision ?
If yes then I think it's not unreasonable to ask where disabled customers can get their cut. Since its [i]them[/i] inconvenienced by this business decision.

Alternatively ask the company if they have any statistics on the number of customers now shopping elsewhere because they are being discriminated against as a result of their revised parking arrangements.
@Picklebobble2 Yep, something that started before the pandemic was even a thing, but grew hugely during it.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@NativePortlander1970 Yes this is because business will do anything (logical or sensible be damned) to cater to 'hit and run' busy able bodied customers.

Thus it directly discriminates against those with disabilities.

Thoughtless action is still prosecutable i would have thought.
If you make enough fuss.
@Picklebobble2 All because of the aviator Charles Lindburghs hatred of his own son, who was disabled, and framed Bruno Hauptmann for his "kidnapping" and death. Lindburgh was Margaret Sanger's partner that started the Eugenics Society, which eventually created Planned Parenthood.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
Isn't there supposed to be a zoning thing where they have to have a certain number of disabled
parking spaces? Get in touch with your local council to find out.
twiigss · M
Number one rule I always follow: If you're unsure about something, ask. So don't go in telling them how you park in the curbside spaces, instead just go in and ask, "Hey, I have a placard to park in the handicapped spaces but I noticed curbside pickup kind of took over some of the handicap space." "So I wanted to ask what I should do in a situation where the handicapped spaces are entirely full." "Would I be able to park in a curbside pickup space that is directly next to a handicap space?"

And see what they say. Worst thing they can say is no, that's not allowed. But I see people with no handicap tag or placard park in the handicap spaces at wally world all the time. I think you're fine to be honest, but again it never hurts to ask, hell never hurts to vent about curbside taking over handicap spaces.
@twiigss When you're disabled you should not have to ask, you just do it.
twiigss · M
@NativePortlander1970 I agree. You should not have to ask. I only suggested it because I've ran into the problem of not asking when I had the chance, and things would have turned out better if I would have asked the question. Plus, let's say he does simply do it, and his car gets towed. Maybe asking could avoid that possibility if it exists?
Fluffybull · F
I think you're justified. It's not right that they're removing disabled spaces, especially when they often fill up.
Eternity · 26-30, M
Life is a fight man. So fight your fight and feel no shame. Sounds like you're going about it as honorably as you can.
I think this started with the social distancing during the COVID pandemic. And I don't know about everywhere but our local Walmart is the worst. They converted at least 10 back to back (20 total) spots in two rows. Way more than the number of handicapped spaces. And I almost never see those spots being utilized.
smiler2012 · 56-60
[@vicdraco] no far from it that is a fair point shops should have or make provision for people with diabilities too have easy access too the store all of the time
thisguy20 · 41-45, M
I don't think that is bad etiquette at all.
As far as I'm concerned those special spots for curbside / fast pickup / delivery are a waste of space.
Piper · 61-69, F
I've noticed that also, about some stores in my area. I do not feel you're in the wrong at [b]all[/b], in doing what you've described.
JamesBugman · 56-60, T
You need to take that to the store manager and ask for his input. He/She most likely has no clue this is even an issue.
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
You're doing the right thing. The stores need to be informed about this problem add arrange for the proper parking spaces.
The Walmart near me has so many that they are always empty.
You could park in the next county and some ******** will park right next to you.
allygator18 · 22-25, F
According to my calculations

YOu are.,
AbbySvenz · F
https://www.ada.gov/topics/parking/
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
I think it’s completely justified in your situation. They have cut quite a few where I live too and sometimes it’s hard to find a spot for me. I only use a cane or a walker so I will find another place to park.

You definitely should park there and not feel bad in the least.
Do what You have to fellow disabled, I am a terminal cardiopulmonary patient on assisted oxygen 24/7 myself and I also bristle at how our spaces have dwindled, a local store has also designated the prime spot for law enforcement/first responders, not for official use, but as general parking for shopping, I have lost track of how many cops, fire fighters, and ambulance crews, have come out with bags of groceries.
@ViciDraco The interesting thing is that all of the store pickup spots are always empty
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@NativePortlander1970 the only time I see people using them these days are people that are very definitely not doing store pickup. Almost always empty, or the same empty car that was there on my way in will still be there on my way out.
@ViciDraco They need to redesignate them to handicap
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@WaryWitchWandering My mother recently got busted for using my spare one for her own use, I told her it was only for when I was with her, when the cop called me I told him to confiscate it, she could drop me off at the door, my mother was not happy.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@WaryWitchWandering I'm definitely most worried about disabled people coming to use the pickup because it's too difficult for them to go in when I do take such a spot. I actually rarely park in them. If it's a fairly level lot with wide enough spaces I will park in the back of the designated spots are filled just for that reason. But sometimes circumstances make that difficult.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@NativePortlander1970 yeah, that's just not cool. If I'm dropping someone off and not getting out of the car myself, I won't even use it. Unless I'm blocking people stopping at the curb then I'll pull in, drop off then move and wait in a normal spot just in case someone needs the space.

 
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