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A vital message to men.

Especially, the ones who say that they are tired of how a lot of women are acting these days.

As a man, you do not have any other option but to be with a woman. Homosexualities or other things aren't sustainable. Someone gave a good example. If there is only men and other genders except women in a remote island, in the probable future, there is no offspring and everyone dies. On the other hand, if there is men and women, in the probable future, there are newborns and the society grows.

However women are these days, it is what it is. The best you can do as a man, is to do your best. Surely a lot of things are unacceptable and we know too much isn't good, so keep that in mind too. Remember, you too make mistakes.

I hope this helps someone.

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pillowprincess · F

Adoption is a thing...

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Jeephikelove · 46-50, F

@JimboSaturn it’s an uneducated and very black and white post. 🙄

Riemann · 31-35, M

@Jeephikelove If the screenshot of the National Health Service of UK, still makes you say that, then there is no point in any further comments. Bye.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Riemann says [quote]Yeah homosexuality exists but it's not sustainable for the human being to be that way.[/quote] It's likely a trait caused by a multi-gene system. Multi-gene traits don't necessarily obey simple "breed out of the gene pool" statistics.

For a simple model, look at sickle cell genetics in Africa. Homozygous for sickle cell and you have low probability of reproduction. Homozygous for no sickle cells, and you have better endurance but high suceptibility to malaria. Heterozygous for sickle cell and you have increased resistance to endemic malaria.

Thus the pair of genes is low survival, but 1 gene is advantageous. And so nature keeps creating low reproduction homozygous for sickle cell as a side effect of the most survivable heterozygous condition. That's just the way multi-gene traits work.

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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@ElwoodBlues I was thinking of the exact same example.

JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@Riemann People in Africa have a gene that makes them prone to sickle cell anemia. You would think that this trait would disappear because all the people who have this genetic disposition would die earlier and have less children to pass off this gene; but this is not the case, it persists. The reason is that the gene that causes sickle cell anemia also protects them from malaria which is much more deadly. So it would seem at first that this gene is a hindrance, but it's actually an advantage.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Riemann Sorry, if I could sit down with you face to face, maybe I could explain it more simply, but the effort of making diagrams and typing in a whole not more verbiage just isn't worth it. Do you understand what homozygous and heterozygous mean in this context?

elafina · 36-40, F

I can understand, maybe, where your feelings to speak up for men come from, trying to find yourself and your manhood, where do you stand... Like we all do. And yes, there is a lot of hate coming from women towards men in our era. Suppression does that, suppression that did go on for millennia.
So we are now trying to change things and find some balance. Get your head clear and see that. Not advocate for people who get scared of the unsettlements, required for bringing upon balance, a sign of redestribution of recourses. Don't be scared.
We as women do not wish to push you men aside. But there's anger because we were silenced, imprisoned to narrow roles and what have always men been doing is, to tell women how they should be, what to say, how to go about this or that. This world belong to all.

Let go of your fear as men, that lead you to controlling behaviours. Try to ease yourselves. And in the end, try to listen a little more and a little further.
I appreciate you, your presence around, so I bother to reply with all of this.

Blanchy · 31-35, F

@elafina Well said. 💕

elafina · 36-40, F

@Blanchy I understand deeper and deeper.
There is some hatred within me about men after all that I didn't know was there, but now I see. Resentment.
How I go about it, I am turning within.
Trying to own my life and mind, working on clearing my wounds and acknowledging. I'm sorry for how things turned out to be.
But we are here and we can do the best to create a safe environment to love one another...

Blanchy · 31-35, F

@elafina This makes sense as how you're able to then empathize and understand what men like OP are going through to some extend. I think it's important to meet people with kindness if we have a message to share, and want them to listen, but most people (myself included) just can't understand where OP is coming from. I think it must take a lot of strenght to deal with these kinds of emotions and possible trauma, and I'm happy for you that you're working with yourself in ways which ultimately makes you a happy person, because our happiness is in the end all that really matters in this short life. 🌻

SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F

Dammit! Somebody figured out our agenda. Our master plan all along was to not reproduce so humans would go extinct. Seriously, do the math! it checks out!!!!!

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Riemann · 31-35, M

@SarahAndSamantha Please think. Bye.

SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F

@Riemann think. ok, let's think about this.

It took all of human history until 1804 for the world population to hit 1 billion people. . It took 123 years to reach 2 billion in 1927, 33 years to reach 3 billion in 1960, 14 years to reach 4 billion in 1974 and 13 years to reach 5 billion in 1987. 12 years to hit 6 billion in 1999. 12 years for 7 billion in 2011. and 11 years to hit 8 billion in 2022. I seriously don't think some of us being not-heterosexual is going to cause a major catastrophe.

JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@SarahAndSamantha I knew it!!!!

Straylight · 31-35, F

If all gay men and women are sent to the island, then the kids from straight island who grow up to be LGBTQ will continue the population there. The statistical range varies, but it’s like 6%. Possibly more than that if some of the people polled were lying about being straight.

You say it’s a good example, but as an analogy it really isn’t.

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Straylight · 31-35, F

@Riemann I did read your comment. You said non straightness is inherently unstable and I made a counter argument.

Straylight · 31-35, F

@Riemann I mean, I get the original point of the post is that people are the way they are and men will need to adjust expectations rather than just complain about women. It’s just I’ve heard the island analogy many times and it never held up to scrutiny.

Blanchy · 31-35, F

@Riemann She's right, it's not unsustainable to have gay people in society, because it's only a small percentage, hence not a problem in terms of reproduction and population. What's the point of putting them on an island anyways? That's like saying it's not sustainable if ALL people were gay, but that's a hypothetical scenario which will never happen anyways.

JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

No worries about the human population not procreating enough. The very fact that homosexuality exits means it is normal for a proportion of your species to be homosexual.

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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@Riemann But there is homosexuality now and the world's population is growing at an exponential rate.

Riemann · 31-35, M

@JimboSaturn Yeah the population is growing but that is not the main point of this post. Even in small scale, homosexuality does have its impact. One of the main points of this post is that it is unsustainable to be anything other than being straight, in terms of continuing the human population.

JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@Riemann Well that is obvious if everyone is gay. I don't think that is a very disputed idea.

CrazyMusicLover · 31-35

So..how are women these days?

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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@Riemann They are women haters, I have so use for such people.

Riemann · 31-35, M

@JimboSaturn Please re-read my previous comment. Bye.

JimboSaturn · 51-55, M

@Riemann I have. Please try to understand my comments.

ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M

Odd -- homosexuality (both male and female) seems to have sustained itself for thousands of years. And history will also tell you that homosexuals often have children -- as one gay male character in the old TV series BROTHERS said when asked about reproducing by sleeping with a woman: "We're smart, we can learn a skill."

bijouxbroussard · F

People who are gay are generally not gay as a [b]reaction[/b] to bad experiences with the opposite sex. (They would be a [b]majority[/b] if that were the case.) And with billions of people in the world, if a person can’t get along with anyone [b]they[/b] choose, he or she needs to look within.

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BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F

@Riemann why are you talking about homosexuals only if reproduction is the only concern? There are plenty of straight couples who are on birth control so they won't reproduce. Where are these in your post?

bijouxbroussard · F

@Riemann Which ignores the number of relationships where a sperm donor contributes, or a woman acts as surrogate for the couple. Same as is routinely done for heterosexual couples with sterility issues.
It’s a brave new world.

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MsSwan

How are women these days?

Riemann · 31-35, M

@MsSwan Not all. No time for memes here. Bye.

MsSwan

@Riemann Wow, that was rude. I was asking a question.

Fertilization · 36-40, F

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InOtterWords · F

This is only an issue if you think homosexuality is a threat to heterosexuality. Which it isn't. And homosexuals are getting support so they are able to raise families too so no chance of populations dwindling.

SW-User

Too much milk in your cheerios this morning eh?

Riemann · 31-35, M

@SW-User Please think. Bye.

SW-User

@Riemann Don't you mean please agree?

BlueGreenGrey ·

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Riemann · 31-35, M

@BlueGreenGrey There could be homosexuality there, but two males or two females cannot procreate without support.

BlueGreenGrey ·

@Riemann I'm not sure who you thought needed to know that only a male and female can procreate, everybody already knows this before we leave high school so you're only stating the obvious

And at the same time, once you have some initial material, you could actually start cloning people too, but even without cloning, direct sexual intercourse is not necessary for procreation, so we could easily have a far more sustainable global reproductive scheme like the "decanting" of babies depicted in [i]Brave New World[/i], without any need of social concepts like "families" and couples or sexual orientation, with science and reason supplanting emotion and racism when it comes to simple reproduction and maintenance of a constant global population with evenly spaced out generations of equal quantity (which has economic considerations)

In that more rational reproductive scheme, sex would then be 100% not for procreation

Riemann · 31-35, M

@BlueGreenGrey The obvious thing that I stated, has been and is in existence. Not talking science and probable future.

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Elessar · 26-30, M

@NoThanksLeon And tell me, how long has it been since the last time you've seen an optometrist?

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BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F

@BittersweetPotato Is this part of your Ramadan preaching against homosexuality? Hoping to get more rewards as you do it in Ramadan?

Riemann · 31-35, M

@BittersweetPotato Homosexual couples cannot reproduce without support and I am referring to the sustainability in terms of growing the human population. It's an example, to think its impact, in small scale or large.
No this post is not for Ramadan. I understand that you have bad feelings regarding Islam, which is probably due to your bad experience with some people. I hope that you overcome it.
Bye.

BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F

@Riemann I can give you the same small scale example of straight couples who can't have kids. AND straight couples who do not want to have kids.

Do they also represent a threat to the sustainability of humankind?

And for those who are incapable, should they not be allowed to stay together as the probability of procreation would be higher if they re-marry to others?

Also - How different are they from homosexual couples? Since your concern is PURELY sustainability, I should expect your answer to be that these straight couples are NOT different the least from homosexual couples. Period.

And FYI i don't have bad experience with people, I have bad experience with Islam as a religion and the hatred it preaches. Which is where your post is probably coming from 😉

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Riemann · 31-35, M

@CestManan Each gender has its own stuff, it's just the way it is.
I gave the island example to show how homosexuality is unsustainable to human population growth. Reproduction is necessary for every species for its survival.

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Riemann · 31-35, M

@basilfawlty89 Not looking down on them for how they feel...
Please check the comments in the post.

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Riemann · 31-35, M

@jshm2 If you do not have a valid point, please do not comment.

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