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Religion indoctrinates people far more than supposed left wing politics

Yet sin will take you farther than you want to go, keep you longer than you want to stay, and cost you more than you want to pay.

Religion is nothing but man made philosophy. Religion did not die on the cross to pay for our sins. Jesus did. He gives us a personal relationship with God.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@LadyGrace I have no understanding of God or religion which I'm asking these questions. How does someone who says love thy neighbour and give money to the poor sleep at night when neighbours are killing each other and rich people are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer?
@Guitarman123 God gave the right standard for living but that doesn't mean everyone will follow it. This is why the world is in the shape it is in and why it has brought judgment upon itself for its evil of which God had nothing to do with. As I mentioned I have to go I cannot spend the whole day on here. I will be back later. I don't mind answering questions as long as people show me the respect I always show them. I don't want to get into the arguing phase are false accusations, that's all. You keep saying I didn't answer your questions. I did answer your questions but you were flinging them at me faster than I could write and if I miss some I'm sorry but I was trying to keep up. Later.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@LadyGrace if he gave the right standard then why are those who just want to live a good life suffering more than those who use and abuse others for personal gain? Why should decent people who maybe believe in god follow him if he's not willing to help them when they are praying?
"Religion" can't indoctrinate anyone, unless they are willing. A certain amount of metaphysical thinking sets one up for religious [b]cults[/b], perhaps to compensate for the structural inequalities in their life. Their thinking is confused anyway, and so they fall for anything, since they don't know what they believe or why. Not all fall for that or into that category. These people are insecure to begin with, who fall for cult religions.
BibleData · M
I suppose I would have to agree with that since to indoctrinate means to teach and left wing politics is only stupid corrupt nonsense and lies that idiots who think they are smarter than they are like to adhere to in order to perpetuate the illusion that that is the case.
BibleData · M
@Guitarman123 How is democracy - which is nothing more than mob rules and has never been successful - ever proved to be advantageous to anyone other than elite tyrants? And why is it that it's always the idiot lefties that say liberty is important while taking away everyone's illusion of liberty?

Because lefties, like righties are idiots. Only lefties are worse because righties only want to get rich and the lefties want to control and rule the world.

Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@BibleData no such thing as democracy at the moment as people are seemingly till willing to towards government controlling everything and having capitalists run private businesses whereas the left advocate for workers owning the means of production
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@BibleData 'Lefties want to control and rule the world'? I don't know a single person personally who votes on the 'left' who wants to do that or wants any government to control like that. Sincerely, not one. The Marxists and communists wanted this, of course.
So let's turn to better evidence than my entire lifetime of experience: Issues people on the 'left' are concerned about in my country of Australia are quite well-documented in multiple surveys. In the last election they wanted more transparency in government to address corruption. They wanted stronger environmental protections and better response to climate issues. They wanted to address misogyny and sexual abuse within parliament. They wanted policy to address the housing crisis...

Not one person raised the desire to control the world or for the government to control everything or any of that stereotypical nonsense promoted in right wing social media. Zero evidence of your claim.
Don't misunderstand "indoctrinate" for "educate".
People who believe in a made up god and follow ancient guidelines are gullible, ignorant and seem to lack empathy. They are quick to dismiss science and societal progress because they fear it and their religious leaders prey on that fear and turn it into money.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@RebelliousSpirit to quote marx "religion is the opium of the people" Conservatives absolutely ignore science and any hard evidence to maintain their views
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@Guitarman123 Agree about conservatives. I'm a person of faith who embraces science as are most I know. My religion doesn't serve as an opiate. But religion can do this, as can media and social media. Conspiracies are the crystal meth of the people now. ;)
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Abstraction absolutely, as is media and technology
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
Well true, it's mostly Abrahamic religions that teach people the fear of going to hell especially Christianity, a burning hell doesn't really exist in Judaism, hell, hades and sheol really means "grave" in the Torah, the soul is basically the breath and it goes nowhere after death.

Ecclesiastes says death is a breathless, dreamless sleep.

The Idea of a heaven and hell came later in the new testament.

And lots of Christians seems to have problems accepting science like evolution, the age of the Earth and are creation literalists.

Not all religions are anti science, most Buddhists and Hindus I encounter accept the fact of evolution and don't take religious texts seriously.

I'm Native mostly Hopi and Cherokee and I practice my spirituality, there's tribal lore and legends but I don't take those stories seriously, I see them as local legends from storytellers.
HollyW · 18-21, F
I see a pattern where those pushing right wing politics are also believers in God. I suppose Biden vs. Trump defies this pattern.
HollyW · 18-21, F
@Abstraction A decent explanation of how nature does what is ascribed to God. If you disagree that's fine. Everyone doesn't need to be the same.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@HollyW It's ok, I didn't ask to argue. I just wanted to know what you thought because it interested me. I work across cultures and I don't have difficulty respecting other people's views and world views. It's not difficult, hey?
HollyW · 18-21, F
@Abstraction I already knew that you weren't the antagonistic sort.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
I think the biggest indoctrination now is social media. You have to stop and ask who is pulling the strings. The stoking of conspiracies, the political manipulation (such as Brexit), the influence of the Russians, Chinese and others, covert groups putting forward often falsifiable claims that are ignored by those already indoctrinated. And they call us sheeples.
StraightLacedLADY · 41-45, F
Well.. that's because left wing politics changes values and ideologies and standards so much. At least Religion is consistent, well before people get involved to tweek it to their satisfaction.
@StraightLacedLADY That's not true some core values unite all leftists and there are different ideologies within leftism that don't change since leftism is an umbrella term.
StraightLacedLADY · 41-45, F
@RebelliousSpirit So... leftism is a religion in and of itself... gotcha, makes sense 👍
@StraightLacedLADY No it's a political ideology.
Religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers or a particular system of faith and worship.

There have been some personality cults within both left and right wing ideologies and I don't think that's ever a good thing.
SlaveEt · 31-35, F
They both indoctrinate to the detriment of the believers and those around them.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@SlaveEt being a socialist has given me a new focus
Obviously nobody is indoctrinated in social democracy.
Obviously war is normal.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
Religion divides people and spirituality unites we are all one.
@Peaceandnamaste Wrong. Hate divides people and those who hate on Christians or other denominations. I certainly see no love or peace in your description on this post against Christians. Your attitude and false accusations against Christians and what they believe, betray your username.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
Right wing politics indoctrinates people. Look at Trumpism and the Gun worship cult.
Left-wing politics are based in science while religious indoctrination is based in beliefs, which is a more right-wing thing.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Emosaur absolutely as its a big part of nature to be co operative
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Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@jshm2 someone is emotional

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