🔬 Science vs. 🌱 Religion. Which one do you think is more important in people's lives.
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Eternity · 26-30, M
Definitely science. Religion adds nothing positive to anyones life that they could not have added themselves by simply being good people because it is the right thing to do and not because they'll go to hell if they don't.
And as for the negative? I dont need to go into detail. Wars, holocausts, crucifixions, human sacrifice, all kinds of aberrations have happened because of religion. Ultimately it was what governments used to control people before bureaucracy and finance became so sophisticated.
Science is the cure to the disease that is religion.
And as for the negative? I dont need to go into detail. Wars, holocausts, crucifixions, human sacrifice, all kinds of aberrations have happened because of religion. Ultimately it was what governments used to control people before bureaucracy and finance became so sophisticated.
Science is the cure to the disease that is religion.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Lostpoet [quote]But doesn't the government(s) use science as its source of mind controlling the masses? [/quote]
Mind control, huh? Is this the point where you accuse anybody who disagrees with your opinions of being mind-controlled? Is there any room for debate or is all disagreement immediately mind control?
Mind control, huh? Is this the point where you accuse anybody who disagrees with your opinions of being mind-controlled? Is there any room for debate or is all disagreement immediately mind control?
Eternity · 26-30, M
@Lostpoet science is the successor to religion. Just as the government used to use religion to control the masses, science does have the capacity to be used that way as well.
The difference is, science has not reached that point yet, whereas religion reached that point thousands of years ago. The beast of science is still young and manageable whereas the beast of religion is old and ornery and has already wrecked much havoc.
So it is time to put the beast of religion down, and ride the beast of science as far as it will take us until a new beast is born. Then we rinse and repeat.
The difference is, science has not reached that point yet, whereas religion reached that point thousands of years ago. The beast of science is still young and manageable whereas the beast of religion is old and ornery and has already wrecked much havoc.
So it is time to put the beast of religion down, and ride the beast of science as far as it will take us until a new beast is born. Then we rinse and repeat.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@Lostpoet I can't name a single religion that extolls individual liberty above all else. The vast majority of the time -- at least in the modern world -- war propaganda appeals to utilitarian moral principles that anyone would agree with if the premises weren't completely false. Afghanistan was supposed to be a war to protect America and save Afghani women. Iraq was supposed to prevent a nuclear holocaust. The Russo-Ukrainian War was supposed to prevent NATO from invading Russia or something (idk it was pretty incoherent).
BlueVeins · 22-25
Definitely science, lmao. Whenever a scientific truth is found that contradicts religion, it's first rejected as heresey until the evidence becomes too much to ignore, at which point the religious texts are simply reinterpreted to claim that they [i]always[/i] accepted the scientific reality. Religion's habit of eventually conceding to overwhelming evidence -- while pretending it never rejected it -- is where the idea that religion & science are compatible comes from.
Life without science is almost unrecognizable to us; it shapes the physical reality we live in and the basic structure of our lives. Religion, by contrast, impacts us in both positive and negative ways [i]psychologically and socially[/i], but it has relatively little ability to re-write the rules of survival and prosperity. Someone living in in the US today has much more in common with a Saudi citizen than they do with a Christian from the Byzantine Empire.
Life without science is almost unrecognizable to us; it shapes the physical reality we live in and the basic structure of our lives. Religion, by contrast, impacts us in both positive and negative ways [i]psychologically and socially[/i], but it has relatively little ability to re-write the rules of survival and prosperity. Someone living in in the US today has much more in common with a Saudi citizen than they do with a Christian from the Byzantine Empire.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@BlueVeins
Smallpox killed as many as 300 million people in the first part of the twentieth century (far more than in all wars combined)... eradicated from the planet.
Tuberculosis infected 70–90 percent of all urban residents in the nineteenth century... almost eradicated.
Vaccines now prevent diseases that once infected, crippled, or killed millions... polio, measles, and pertussis..
None of that...[b]none![/b]... came about by praying to gods and waving around religious symbols.
In the last one hundred years, an average yield of corn more than quadrupled from about 32 to 145 bushels per acre. Wheat, rice, potatoes, etc., have seen the same increases. This now feeds a population that is four times larger, but uses less than 2% of the national labour force compared to more than 40% a century ago.
None of that...[b]none![/b]... came about by praying to gods and waving around religious symbols.
Smallpox killed as many as 300 million people in the first part of the twentieth century (far more than in all wars combined)... eradicated from the planet.
Tuberculosis infected 70–90 percent of all urban residents in the nineteenth century... almost eradicated.
Vaccines now prevent diseases that once infected, crippled, or killed millions... polio, measles, and pertussis..
None of that...[b]none![/b]... came about by praying to gods and waving around religious symbols.
In the last one hundred years, an average yield of corn more than quadrupled from about 32 to 145 bushels per acre. Wheat, rice, potatoes, etc., have seen the same increases. This now feeds a population that is four times larger, but uses less than 2% of the national labour force compared to more than 40% a century ago.
None of that...[b]none![/b]... came about by praying to gods and waving around religious symbols.
RebelFox · 36-40, F
In these years of my life I’ve noticed how spirituality has seeped into my existence by simply being present with nature, animals and kids. Science and religion often are misused, even abused to mind control the masses. For me I explored science heavily, still am, and within that quiet space, be it sequoia trees, wind caves, lava tubes, desert plains or oceans that’s where I found “god”. Definitely not in a religious sense, but a personal to me way that’s perhaps hard to explain 😆
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Mia123 That’s simple mathematical conversion. Also easy to Google the conversion :)
Arguments normally arise around ethical topics such as marriage/relationships, birth/abortion /contraception etc. The Bible has specific views which are usually conservative and people who follow the Bible are pretty specific as to what they believe is the right or wrong answer while science will just give you the facts and it’s up to you to do with that info how you see fit.
That outcome may clash with the Bible.
It doesn’t mean it’s wrong or can’t be done it just means you will clash with someone else’s ideology.
Arguments normally arise around ethical topics such as marriage/relationships, birth/abortion /contraception etc. The Bible has specific views which are usually conservative and people who follow the Bible are pretty specific as to what they believe is the right or wrong answer while science will just give you the facts and it’s up to you to do with that info how you see fit.
That outcome may clash with the Bible.
It doesn’t mean it’s wrong or can’t be done it just means you will clash with someone else’s ideology.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Mia123
[quote]In 1650 the archbishop of Armagh, James Ussher, began counting all the "begats" in the Old Testament. He also studied ancient Egyptian and Hebrew texts, analysed how the ancient calendars were calculated and came up with a date for the Creation.
The world, he concluded, had begun one weekend in 4004 BC - specifically, on the evening before October 23rd.[/quote]
Thus if you take the Bible literally, it tells you the Earth was created about 6000 years ago. Meanwhile science tells us the Earth is about 4.5 BILLION years old, and the universe is about 13.8 billion years old.
So if you take the Bible literally, there's a clear contradiction with science. If you take all those apparent contradictions to indicate that in those passages the Bible is being figurative or metaphorical or whatever, then we're willing to suspend any Bible statements that contradict science. So what does it mean to say the Bible is in any way historically "true"?
[quote]In 1650 the archbishop of Armagh, James Ussher, began counting all the "begats" in the Old Testament. He also studied ancient Egyptian and Hebrew texts, analysed how the ancient calendars were calculated and came up with a date for the Creation.
The world, he concluded, had begun one weekend in 4004 BC - specifically, on the evening before October 23rd.[/quote]
Thus if you take the Bible literally, it tells you the Earth was created about 6000 years ago. Meanwhile science tells us the Earth is about 4.5 BILLION years old, and the universe is about 13.8 billion years old.
So if you take the Bible literally, there's a clear contradiction with science. If you take all those apparent contradictions to indicate that in those passages the Bible is being figurative or metaphorical or whatever, then we're willing to suspend any Bible statements that contradict science. So what does it mean to say the Bible is in any way historically "true"?
Pfuzylogic · M
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@NickiHijab same
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
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Gangstress · 41-45, F
BlueSkyKing · M
FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Neither.
Science is just a tool. Religion is no different than being in a Club.
Science is just a tool. Religion is no different than being in a Club.
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