greenmountaingal · 80-89, F
If you read about the current Mormon communities, you'll see that it doesn't really work out that well for many of the women and many of the young boys. Girls are married young often to men much older but rich enough to afford multiple wives. Because these men have all that free labor available, they get even richer. The women often compete to be the favored wife. The communities are run by the older alpha males who often run the younger men out of town if they try to have a girlfriend or wife. Several women who have managed to escape this life have written books about their lives.
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Aquafairy · F
@greenmountaingal:
And that is where you are wrong. Those girls aren't marrying old rich men. In fact, many polygamous women are on government welfare. That is why polygamous people aren't pushing for legalized marriages. If it was legal, it would be harder for the women to get food stamps or other government assistance.
Girls are married young often to men much older but rich enough to afford multiple wives.
And that is where you are wrong. Those girls aren't marrying old rich men. In fact, many polygamous women are on government welfare. That is why polygamous people aren't pushing for legalized marriages. If it was legal, it would be harder for the women to get food stamps or other government assistance.
Aquafairy · F
It isn't sustainable. Ever watched TLC Sister wives? The family on there admitted that had it not been for their reality TV show, their husband (Kody Brown) wouldn't have been able to afford to marry the 4th wife (Robyn).
Over the years the Brown family filed several bankruptcies and Christine Brown was once on food stamps. At that time there were 3 wives and 1 husband. The husband and two wives worked while one wife (Christine) stayed home to take care/homeschool all the children. Those working would pool all their cash together and split the amount among the families (each family got the same amount of money regardless of how many children the woman had).
Let's set the Brown family aside and entertain the idea that polygamy is about to be legalized.
1. Would there be a limit to how many spouses could be in a relationship? (Limitless, 5,10, etc.)
2. How would relationships be defined? Remember POlYGAMY is a general term. There is polygyny (one man several wives), polyandry (one woman several husband) and polyamory (several marriages). On top of polygamy we have same sex marriage so:
Dave have 4 wives (Tara, Kelly, Sue, Ann). Ann has two husband (Dave and Randy). Randy is bisexual and has a husband and a wife (Kevin and Ann). Tara and Kelly are married to each other as well as Dave. Sue is bisexual and has a husband and a wife (Dave and April).
Now in that scenario above, if Dave cheats on his spouses and they all want to divorce him, does he pay alimony to all of his spouses? Or if he dies, do all the wives inherit his things?
Now let's say Ann had 5 children under the age of 18 with Dave who were raised with the help from the other spouses. After the divorce, do the other spouses get visitation rights with the children they help raised?
What if there is money dispute or someone lost their job or doesn't want to share their paycheck, etc.
There are so many questions here but let's move on.
What would stop famous or rich people from having large harems of spouses? Let's say some guy with Bill Gates type money wants a lot of beautiful models/women to be his wives (let's say someone like Hugh Hefner). Or vice versa. Some woman with Oprah Winfrey type cash wanting a lot of handsome husbands.
What is going to happen to the "lost" men and women who cannot find spouses to marry (similar to the boys who get kicked out of polygamous communities so they won't be competing with older men for the limited number of females)?
Let's stop here and look to other countries where polygamy is legal.
****Yes, I know Wikipedia is not a valid source but I am pressed for time and this post is getting too damn long. So...According to Wikipedia,
Polygamy is legal in 58 out of nearly 200 sovereign states, the vast majority of them being Muslim-majority countries situated in Africa and Asia. In most of these states, polygyny is allowed and legally sanctioned. Polyandry is illegal in virtually every state in the world. The rest of the sovereign states do not recognize polygamous marriages.
Muslim majority societies is where the vast majority of polygamists live.
Therefore, we, in the US, cannot model our polygamy laws by using those laws. Why:
1. A lot of Muslims believe homosexuality is a sin (there goes same sex marriages).
2. I have yet to find a Muslim country that allows women to have more than one husband at the same time (there goes equality).
3. Muslim men are allowed up to 4 wives (What if people argue that the government should not be allowed to set the limit of spouses a person or group can have?).
That would mean, if polygamy is pushed to be legal in the US, our society would be doing something that have never been done (at least not in recent history). Polygamy in a society that accepts equal rights for women and homosexuals. This would be a social experiment that could go completely wrong or right or somewhere in between.
And I haven't even mentioned the emotional toll (jealousies, anger, etc.) adults and children would experience in such union. I would love for more children of polygamous marriages to speak up about their experience. Time they spent with their father, how close they are with their other siblings from their father's other wives, etc.
Finally, yes, monogamy have a lot of issues. A shit ton of issues. Some married men and women have affairs, etc. Polygamy would magnify those problems a whole lot more.
Edited to add:
I would also like to know how the marriages would happen. Would all of the spouses have to agree to allow someone new into the union?
Permission is one of the major problem in Islamic polygamy.
I know one family where the man didn't even asked permission to marry another woman. He married an American woman, went back to his country, married a woman there. He than brought the second wife to the US and told the first wife she was to be their children's nanny (The second wife was on a domestic worker visa). First wife found out that her husband lied to her (she found the second wife's marriage certificate) and divorce happened. First wife ended up with the kids. Second wife ended up with the husband. All were bitter.
Over the years the Brown family filed several bankruptcies and Christine Brown was once on food stamps. At that time there were 3 wives and 1 husband. The husband and two wives worked while one wife (Christine) stayed home to take care/homeschool all the children. Those working would pool all their cash together and split the amount among the families (each family got the same amount of money regardless of how many children the woman had).
Let's set the Brown family aside and entertain the idea that polygamy is about to be legalized.
1. Would there be a limit to how many spouses could be in a relationship? (Limitless, 5,10, etc.)
2. How would relationships be defined? Remember POlYGAMY is a general term. There is polygyny (one man several wives), polyandry (one woman several husband) and polyamory (several marriages). On top of polygamy we have same sex marriage so:
Dave have 4 wives (Tara, Kelly, Sue, Ann). Ann has two husband (Dave and Randy). Randy is bisexual and has a husband and a wife (Kevin and Ann). Tara and Kelly are married to each other as well as Dave. Sue is bisexual and has a husband and a wife (Dave and April).
Now in that scenario above, if Dave cheats on his spouses and they all want to divorce him, does he pay alimony to all of his spouses? Or if he dies, do all the wives inherit his things?
Now let's say Ann had 5 children under the age of 18 with Dave who were raised with the help from the other spouses. After the divorce, do the other spouses get visitation rights with the children they help raised?
What if there is money dispute or someone lost their job or doesn't want to share their paycheck, etc.
There are so many questions here but let's move on.
What would stop famous or rich people from having large harems of spouses? Let's say some guy with Bill Gates type money wants a lot of beautiful models/women to be his wives (let's say someone like Hugh Hefner). Or vice versa. Some woman with Oprah Winfrey type cash wanting a lot of handsome husbands.
What is going to happen to the "lost" men and women who cannot find spouses to marry (similar to the boys who get kicked out of polygamous communities so they won't be competing with older men for the limited number of females)?
Let's stop here and look to other countries where polygamy is legal.
****Yes, I know Wikipedia is not a valid source but I am pressed for time and this post is getting too damn long. So...According to Wikipedia,
Polygamy is legal in 58 out of nearly 200 sovereign states, the vast majority of them being Muslim-majority countries situated in Africa and Asia. In most of these states, polygyny is allowed and legally sanctioned. Polyandry is illegal in virtually every state in the world. The rest of the sovereign states do not recognize polygamous marriages.
Muslim majority societies is where the vast majority of polygamists live.
Therefore, we, in the US, cannot model our polygamy laws by using those laws. Why:
1. A lot of Muslims believe homosexuality is a sin (there goes same sex marriages).
2. I have yet to find a Muslim country that allows women to have more than one husband at the same time (there goes equality).
3. Muslim men are allowed up to 4 wives (What if people argue that the government should not be allowed to set the limit of spouses a person or group can have?).
That would mean, if polygamy is pushed to be legal in the US, our society would be doing something that have never been done (at least not in recent history). Polygamy in a society that accepts equal rights for women and homosexuals. This would be a social experiment that could go completely wrong or right or somewhere in between.
And I haven't even mentioned the emotional toll (jealousies, anger, etc.) adults and children would experience in such union. I would love for more children of polygamous marriages to speak up about their experience. Time they spent with their father, how close they are with their other siblings from their father's other wives, etc.
Finally, yes, monogamy have a lot of issues. A shit ton of issues. Some married men and women have affairs, etc. Polygamy would magnify those problems a whole lot more.
Edited to add:
I would also like to know how the marriages would happen. Would all of the spouses have to agree to allow someone new into the union?
Permission is one of the major problem in Islamic polygamy.
I know one family where the man didn't even asked permission to marry another woman. He married an American woman, went back to his country, married a woman there. He than brought the second wife to the US and told the first wife she was to be their children's nanny (The second wife was on a domestic worker visa). First wife found out that her husband lied to her (she found the second wife's marriage certificate) and divorce happened. First wife ended up with the kids. Second wife ended up with the husband. All were bitter.
greenmountaingal · 80-89, F
There are a lot of polyamory groups around; they even have conventions. Some of these relationships are long term, stable and apparently happy.
Personally, I think it's difficult enough to find one person you can partner up with. Relationships between two people are complicated enough.
When asked the question you just posted, a friend of mine answered, "Ain't got nothin' against it. Just never seen it work." Speaking as an old hippie, that's my take on it.
Personally, I think it's difficult enough to find one person you can partner up with. Relationships between two people are complicated enough.
When asked the question you just posted, a friend of mine answered, "Ain't got nothin' against it. Just never seen it work." Speaking as an old hippie, that's my take on it.
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the way they do it is not OK
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@traumepertube: that isn't an answer but well done
LothricYoungerPrince · 18-21, M
@pianoplayingsteve: because that country has a culture that needed that sort of system ages ago.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Starlightbreaker: it still goes on. A lot. And I said the Islamic community, not a specific country
Quizzical · 46-50, M
Because the bible says so...
If you want a good reason why, I don't have one, lol
If you want a good reason why, I don't have one, lol
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Quizzical: which verse in the bible? And what did Jesus say to support it? :)
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@pianoplayingsteve: Buggered if I know, I was being sarcastic :p
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Quizzical: fair enough. I thought you were getting on the bible bashing band wagon for the sake of it :) there is one religion that openly promotes polygamy, but the person that posted it doesn't want me to mention it, because freedom of speech and all
BiasForAction · M
there are many, many things about which I feel the same way--along with polygamy
hlpflwthat · M
Cuz jesus. That's gonna be my guess.
Socialclutz · 36-40, M
I've heard the family structure is messed up in some of those marriages, but I might be getting confused with Scientology
Quizzical · 46-50, M
@crabbyhermit: Easily done. Those cults are all alike
johnny253 · 80-89, M
Nothing really. Most of the Old Testament figures were Polygamists. It's a convention of society turned into law.
Lilred2289 · 36-40, F
I have no idea. As long as everyone is an adult and willing to do it.
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Lilred2289 · 36-40, F
@Celine: I agree. It's not my thing but if 3 or 4 people want to marry each other and they're adults...
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
I think it's because they are brainwashed into it and usually way to young. I guess a polygamous marriage not forced by religion with adults should be fine if they can make it work.
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JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
Agreed I believe in many different relationships as long as everyone is happy and consenting. @Celine:
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Tax breaks run amok
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
That's why it's illegal, it's easier to stick with the system in place
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HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M

Would a woman really want that?
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HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@Celine: I don't know. It's an interesting question.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Celine: Agreed

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Because Jezus and the bible wouldn't be happy with it🤔
greenmountaingal · 80-89, F
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Goralski · 56-60, M
D government shouldn't b in d business of telling people how they can marry. ...but them Mormons sorta like em a little too young
sarahtree · F
I thought it was cause mormons marry a bunch of sisters
StevetheSleeve · 31-35, M
Don't they usually get busted for screwing underage girls?
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StevetheSleeve · 31-35, M
But I think polygamy wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for that. People do all sorts of sexual things, including having more than one partner and cops aren't busting them.
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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
Doesn't it get you thinking about the double standard way in which society lets muslims practice polygamy in the most misogynistic way, picking up multiple child benefits with each wife on the way, but if anyone ever does anything similar, it's a massive evil?
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Celine: I'm going to talk about the double standard in the religiously themed thread that I started talking about it :)
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pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Celine: you are literally the only one stamping and calling names towards people that you disagree with. Discuss what you want, no one is stopping you.