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Star1 · F
I'm at a loss as to why you are still in the relationship. That sounds harsh but you sound like a very unhappy family.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Star1 Ok,
Star1 · F
@justanotherone @justanotherone I know, that was a rubbish comment but I'm in a similar situation & I can't get out of it either. Eventually, thats what it comes down to, making a painful decision.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Star1 I already divorced once. (I know everyone will come at me that I choose poorly and it's my fault that I can't live with people, etc) but the point is that divorce was painful but there was no children and my ex-wife had work, friends and life without me. This wouldn't be simply painful.

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justanotherone · 51-55, M
@YoMomma No, You totally misunderstood me.
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Richard65 · M
This where your marriage vows count, and unfortunately it's fallen to you to do the heavy lifting where your wife and your relationship is concerned. Not enough people take their oaths seriously enough, and persevere as you are doing, so credit to you for that. I empathise with you and its likely that her phone is feeding her paranoia, as the algorithms will keep pushing her fears at her as she scrolls down the screen. Is there any way you can limit her time on it and replace it with family activity? It'll take time and she'll fight the attempt, but you have to start making changes to her routine in order to improve her life. That won't be control, you're her husband and you've identified a serious issue that's wrecking your marriage and your life.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Richard65 I cannot change her behaviour. She was always strong and never listened to anybody. Now this actually turned into anything I say which interferes with her is always a no. Besides this is probably something that entertaines her rather than scares her. So it's more like an addiction to escape life. You can only take it away with force not with logical reasoning. Of course I could apply threatening her with divorce but that is kind of dirty if not true and would increase her panic.
Richard65 · M
@justanotherone well, you're an honourable guy by the sounds of this. But perhaps you do need to take more drastic action (regarding her phone) as it's a serious problem. I'm not sure what kind of help is available to you, but I understand it must be devastating for you to see this change in the woman you love.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Richard65 I am no saint. I have my flaws and issues too. It's just nothing is that simple as it seems.
Pinkstarburst · 51-55, F
Have you tried counseling for yourself? If she won’t go, this would be something to consider you your own wellness. Loving a person with depression isn’t for the faint of heart. I know this because I’m the one who survives it everyday. Therapy may help you unpack your thoughts and get help making hard decisions for both you and her.
Pinkstarburst · 51-55, F
@justanotherone Kind of okay isn’t being okay. But I get it. Like I said, I’m on the other side of the coin but know the frustrations you have to be going through. It’s good to share here. I know many here are probably in the same situation as you are right now. Still, you should consider counseling if for nothing more than to share your struggle with a person who has a neutral perspective.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Pinkstarburst If the people of the Internet can't help me then no one can. :-)
Joke aside. Thanks. When I feel I can't carry any more I will look for help.
Until then I just post some dark thoughts here. Other days I see the funny side. I post those too.
If I promise I will be good can I go?
Pinkstarburst · 51-55, F
@justanotherone 🙂 Getting out the dark thoughts wherever you feel comfortable is always a good thing. Class dismissed.
Bleak · 36-40, F
When I was going through depression, my husband turned out my therapist.
Bleak · 36-40, F
@justanotherone Yes definitely. And you are a good husband. What I personally feel is your wife should gather some willpower in order to make it easy for you to stand by her.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Bleak 1 person cannot fix a broken relationship. But interestingly 1 person can break it.
Bleak · 36-40, F
@justanotherone I second you.
riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
Everyone has fears and phobias ( your wife )
With all of those fears and phobias your wife has and looking at it from the outside and in my case I done it myself you be trying to get everything right on the outside and fix something on the inside ( your soul ) .
The depression comes and back to me in my case is failing . All the depression is comes from that thinking and you be trying to sort everything out from the outside .
I give you credit where there's credit due with yourself you seen to come across a very stable man . A good husband .
Your frustration is coming from doing everything and with your wife depressed your good enough failed .
That puts a strain in relationships.
Why ?
After awhile without you known it you start personalize everything . It's another form of hurting yourself making it out that your good enough is not good enough .
You end up personalizing especially being in a relationship for a long time .
It seems your wife is depressed and your in a lot of pain .
I can relate to that about a relationship and my biggest regrets up to this day was that there was no connection no more cause there was no communication with both of us and it ended being toxic . I knew it was going toxic but I was afraid to say it and I ended up in a lot of pain .
I couldn't let go cause I loved her too much and I couldn't do anything to sort it out cause she stopped talking to sort it out .
See the relationship has to work 50 - 50 or else the pack of cards will fall .
You seem a great man 😊
riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
@justanotherone That's no problem Justan.
Everyone tries there best , but life can hit you at anytime or at any age . I was after getting 3 nervous breakdowns in my life . I was after having a lot experience and do you know when you get through them , do you know what you be saying to yourself . What was that all about 😃😃😃 . Your always searching for peace Justan and it passes you by and at times you need to talk to people to get it .
Me myself and my psychiatrist said it to me cause I was on meds and she said to me I'm the stubborn person she ever met . She was trying to get me on meds for 3 years and I was going up to her crying everytime every 2 weeks for 3 years . You be thinking you can do it alone and a friend said to me you think can do it alone you"ll feel alone
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@riseofthemachine i am sorry to hear what you went through. I hope your life got better now.
riseofthemachine · 41-45, M
@justanotherone I'm getting there with time my friend . There's much improvement. I'm nearly off my meds after 8 years taking them .
I met great people in my life that got me through it . Times then on my own my higher power got through it .
I hope you be ok too my friend
twistedrope · 26-30, M
This is good. You seem to feel really really horrified by the situation and that's good. However, this is your life with your kids and your wife. In my opinion, get a therapist who can act as a second opinion to at least help you chart out your own feelings on it. Having your entire life ripped apart by someone else, which is what it looks like to me, makes looking at the hard truths and acknowledging them and feelings on them very hard without someone to give you that feedback. Or a friend can help too.

This woman is not in the list of things you can control, but you can state how you feel. If that's hard, have a therapist verify with you before hand. Depending on her response... Start planning out what to do. I hate shouting and people who shout so I would have dissolved that relationship pretty quick if it was shouting every day. My mental feeling is revulsion at people who raise their voices to get their point across.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@twistedrope there are things I could work with a therapist for sure. I come from a childhood with alcoholic father and abused mother. I always try to avoid conflicts, confrontation. And it’s really difficult for me to see a woman crying. I usually suffer more than her.
If you add these to the above problems you might say I have to fix myself first.
But beyond the normal resistance from me there is one more thing in the mix. I work 10-12 hours a day. Every day except weekends. That takes a big toll on my energy level and willingness to seek help. And even if it would be for me it would be a lot of fighting why there is a need for therapist.
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justanotherone · 51-55, M
@twistedrope thank you. This means a lot.
You’re obviously in a very challenging situation in which there are no easy answers. Couple things crossed my mind. How does living this way affect the mental health of your children? Surely can’t be good for them. And seeing you sacrifice your life for them certainly does them no favors. What if anything could create a rock bottom for your wife? Right now she’s comfortable in her misery, it feels safe. And she faces no consequences for staying that way. No, you can’t change her behavior but you can change your own. You call threatening her with divorce dirty but I actually see that as an option worth considering. Could save lives, yours, your children’s and hopefully hers as right now it’s depression that’s calling the shots. And if there’s a bottom line here, it’s whose well being should be prioritized. In my book it’s those children.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@OlderSometimesWiser The thing is obviously I can write down everything from the last 10 years. And as always there are a lot of details and angles. For example when you live with someone for long and problems building up slowly sometimes it is difficult to say it is depression or she is like this person. For example that she has no patience for children is not from depression but from her personality. And we have a lot arguments about how to raise children. And it doesn't mean I am always right. But at least they have all the fun with me and almost none with their mom. Beside I am the one who can sit with them and learning together because I have the patience. She takes them to school and clubs but that is usually with strict focus on responsibilities. This is not from depression. You can say I might not chose the right wife but I didn't know all of these before the children born. I don't know when it will not be tolarable any more I will move.
@justanotherone But no matter how you label her, is this situation, as is, healthy for your children? What kind of relationship are you modeling for them? Better for them to be from a broken home than to live in one.

Also the line is very blurry between what’s her personality and what’s depression. Especially without a professional evaluation. But from what you’ve described, there’s a significant amount of depression involved and a need to do something different.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@OlderSometimesWiser I agree with you.
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Muthafukajones · 46-50, M
I dated someone who was depressed for over three years. It was so draining. I loved her but the relationship deteriorated and I had to end it.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Muthafukajones there is different depth and stages of depression. Hers started after the children born. The best guess is pospartum depression. But I think it's easy just put labels on people and say we diagnosed them the reality is different. Everyone is workign differently. Everyone has different personality. (some even has more). Also if it's slow building it's not a simple thing. And most likely she had pre-conditions which wasn't obvious. But again I am not a therapist and I have a friend who visited several therapists for decades and ended up in a psychiatry. So things easier to say then do.
It’s not easy but u can take over. U take the kids u do the things that brings the yelling out of her. It’s more work but it makes things less stressful and more quiet. Her fears will disappear and u will become her Superman. Best of luck as the gloomy days with zero praise are abundant. But one good day in the bunch stands out more than no good days ever. Don’t give up and remember as men we here to put in work. Real men don’t complain n hold everything together. This is what younger generations will ridicule and never understand.
SW-User
Has she had any help, Counselling?

I’m not into medication but changing diet can help, cut out processed foods, eat naturally and take iodine and Celtic sea salt which is full
Of minerals our body needs.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@SW-User I understood what you meant. I just brought up an example why she does not believe anything would help her.
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@justanotherone
Sad 😞 maybe she needs extra support.
Must be draining for you.
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justanotherone · 51-55, M
@PinkMoon You are probably very right.
If she is truly going through depression ..you leaving won't help anyone ...not even you ..

Try talking to her in a way that is caring but not condescending ...
Find a way to work it out
@justanotherone whatever it is she's going through it should be discussed. Get a babysitter ...go somewhere just the two of you and really talk ...take her out to dinner ..doesn't have to be expensive or fancy...just keep making the time and effort for her and maybe she will realize that you're trying ...maybe she will try too ...just don't give up
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@pripyatamusementpark Everything you mentioned we (I) tried. It's easy on paper. But I can list all the problems on what is not working and why. I read a lot about these but it is beyond my capability right now to fix.
I didn't give up. I just had a bad day.
Anti depressants is likely all she needs. It will take months but you’ll all be happier for it.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Gingerbreadspice She will never take medicine for this.
@justanotherone She has too. It’ll never get better on its own.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@Gingerbreadspice You might be right.
squishylemon · 26-30, F
Right now u cant just think of ur wife well being, but ur children well being. If she is affecting them very negatively, you alr know what u need to do.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@squishylemon I know what you mean.
scorpiolovedeep · 51-55, M
Be proud of what you are doing for the family.
Is there help for her?
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@scorpiolovedeep She does not believe in therapy. In her view it's just wasted money.
scorpiolovedeep · 51-55, M
You need to talk to her and tell her what she is losing (kids / time etc).

Give it a go.

Distract her phone watching by asking her a task to complete or something in an engaging way.



@justanotherone
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@scorpiolovedeep I would also like to live in an ideal world.
Enonnianoj · F
Me too. I want to start over
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
You’re going to have to tell her she needs to get help. What good is it doing her just being on her phone and yelling at your kids.

She can’t just say that it won’t help without trying it. I know she’s depressed but she has to want to do better for at least her kids.
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@iamonfire696 Would please call her and tell her this? I'll give you her number.
It is so much easier on a way you say it.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@justanotherone I am really sorry that she won’t try to get help for herself and for you and the kids. I understand depression is hard but nothing is going to get better when nothing changes.

The kids deserve more.
SkeetSkeet · 100+, F
If you have already had a come to Jesus talk then there is no reason for you to stay and be miserable
BigGuy2 · 31-35, M
Keep your chin up and hang on in there, she may have just lost her way a bit, try and chat as she may not see the wood for the trees ...

... it MAY be an idea to say it as it is and don't sugar coat it, as in:

"If you don't change, you will split this family apart"

{apologies, there are so many 'sayings' in my comment for such a small sized comment ... i counted SIX 🤭🤭🤭}
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@BigGuy2 I just quickly ordered the "Illustrated book of sayings" from Amazon. You can never be sure. :-)
Thanks for commenting. I don't really expect anyone will just come up with the solution. This is just my ranting day.
I promise tomorrow I will be funny.
BigGuy2 · 31-35, M
@justanotherone 🤭🤭🤭

There will never be a cut and dry remedy {sorry} to the problem, try different things together
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@justanotherone
"She is sitting there browsing her phone"
"She woke up during the night and was on her phone until she took the children to school"

Hmm, ok.

How much of the above have you told your wife?
justanotherone · 51-55, M
@aboveaverageaveragejoe we had some fights about these before. As with anything that is critical about her behaviour. No, I can’t sugarcoat anything. It doesn’t matter how I say things. There is always a tension if it’s not about logistics. Or neutral topic.
@justanotherone You both need to go and see a marriage councilor together to get to the bottom of it and work a plan of action to come to a resolution. The tension has to be resolved one way or another.

 
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