samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Are we great yet?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I've just paid my mother's bill for heating oil. It's 55% higher than the last tine we filled up in February just before Trump started his war (admittedly it was exceptionally cheap on the date). I can fortunately absorb the increase (many can't) but I really resent contributing to unearned corporate profits.
Khenpal1 · M
someone wrote your onion price went 89% , told him you own the moon 😂
Convivial · 26-30, F
Maybe they need to ship more oil,. Oh wait... Someone started a silly war didn't they,.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@Convivial And today the Saudis shut down the crucial West/East crude pipeline because of attacks from the Houthis. The Saudis say the pipeline was not damaged. Other reports claim it was damaged.
The East-West pipeline successfully provides a strategic land route to bypass the narrow Strait of Hormuz, allowing the kingdom to transport crude oil from its eastern fields directly to Red Sea ports. -
It appears things are getting worse rather than improving.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/11/saudi-arabia-shut-down-east-west-crude-oil-pipeline.html
The East-West pipeline successfully provides a strategic land route to bypass the narrow Strait of Hormuz, allowing the kingdom to transport crude oil from its eastern fields directly to Red Sea ports. -
It appears things are getting worse rather than improving.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/09/11/saudi-arabia-shut-down-east-west-crude-oil-pipeline.html
jeancolby · 36-40, F
We were self sufficient until Biden screwed it up.
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jeancolby · 36-40, F
@samueltyler2 yes, he shut down the pipe lines and oil fields up north. No tin foil hats round here.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@jeancolby the pipeline he "shut down" was not even functional at the time and would havr brought oil from Canada to ports in Louisiana, i am not sure what port, but would not have had any effect on the US oil supply.
As to whether the US has ever really been self-sufficient the answer is probably not. A lot depends on how you define that term. What you neglect to consider is 1) oil is a finite resourse and alternatives will be required at some time why not prepare for that? 2) fossil fuels pollute the air and contribute to climate changes.
For help in understanding the situation with energy self sufficiency, here is AI answer:
was the US self sufficient fuel wise before biden
Yes, but only under a specific definition of the term. Whether the U.S. was "self-sufficient" or "energy independent" before Joe Biden took office depends entirely on how you measure it.The U.S. achieved a major statistical milestone under Donald Trump, but it never completely stopped relying on foreign oil. Here is a look at how the data breaks down under the two primary definitions of fuel self-sufficiency: [1] (https://www.wral.com/archive/20188288/)1. Total Net Exporter (The "Yes" Definition)If self-sufficiency means producing more energy than the country consumes and exporting more than it imports, then yes, the U.S. achieved this before Biden took office. [1] (https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/29/energy-independence-is-a-myth-candidates-dont-care-00154959)According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), the U.S. became a net total energy exporter in 2019 for the first time since 1957. [1] (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php)In 2020, the U.S. also became a net exporter of petroleum (crude oil combined with refined petroleum products like gasoline) for the first time since 1949. [1] (https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/which-factors-determine-us-energy-independence-idUSL2N2VQ2ZV/)2. Zero Foreign Imports (The "No" Definition)If self-sufficiency means the U.S. did not need to import any foreign fuel and was fully insulated from global markets, then no, the U.S. was not self-sufficient. [1] (https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-is-the-united-states-energy-independent-because-it-is-a-net-exporter-of-energy), [2] (https://www.wral.com/archive/20188288/)Even while exporting record amounts of energy, the U.S. never stopped importing millions of barrels of crude oil every day under Trump.This happens because of a mismatch in refinery infrastructure. Most U.S. shale produces "light, sweet" crude oil, but many massive U.S. refineries (especially on the Gulf Coast) are physically built to process "heavy, sour" crude oil imported from countries like Canada, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia. The U.S. exports its extra light crude and imports heavy crude to fill the gap. [1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_energy_independence), [2] (https://www.wral.com/archive/20188288/), [3] (https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-is-the-united-states-energy-independent-because-it-is-a-net-exporter-of-energy)Directly Comparing the ErasThe table below outlines how fuel and energy trends have actually functioned across both the Trump and Biden administrations based on EIA statistics: [1] (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php)MetricUnder Trump (Pre-Biden)Under BidenNet Energy Exporter StatusAchieved in 2019. Total production surpassed total domestic consumption.Maintained. The U.S. remained a net energy exporter every year, hitting new record gaps.Crude Oil ProductionReached historic highs. Peaked at 13 million barrels per day in early 2020 before pandemic-related cuts.Broke new records. U.S. domestic oil production surpassed previous peaks, reaching over 13.5 million barrels per day.Reliance on Foreign OilContinued. The U.S. imported 7.8 million barrels of petroleum per day in 2020 while exporting 8.5 million.Continued. The U.S. still imports heavy crude to feed domestic refineries while exporting its lighter shale oil.Ultimately, the U.S. did hit a landmark shift into becoming a net energy exporter before Biden took office. However, true isolation from the global fossil fuel supply chain has not occurred under either administration. [1] (https://www.facebook.com/politifact/posts/under-then-president-donald-trump-the-us-became-a-net-energy-exporter-and-began-/691898709637902/), [2] (https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/29/energy-independence-is-a-myth-candidates-dont-care-00154959)WikipediaUnited States energy independencecontains an excessive amount of intricate detail In May 2011, the US became a net exporter of refined petroleum products. By 2014, the United States was the wor...E&E News by POLITICOTrump, Biden spar over US energy independenceScott Waldman That allows for some energy imports. Under those terms, both Biden and Trump achieved energy independence. While Biden rarely talks about oil and ...PoliticoEnergy independence is a myth. Candidates don’t care. - POLITICOThe term "energy independence" has been a rallying cry for presidents since the 1973 Arab oil embargo. However, energy experts caution that becoming truly energ...WRALFact check: Despite claims of TrumpMar 15, 2022 — Fact check: Despite claims of Trump-era 'energy independence,' the US never stopped importing foreign oil The United States never stopped importing energy from ...ReutersFact Check: Which factors determine U.S. 'energy independence'?Fact Check: Which factors determine U.S. 'energy independence'? The Misinformation Monitor newsletter rounds up international misinformation narratives, with a ...The Institute for Energy ResearchThe United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First ...The United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First Time Since 1957 IER May 11, 2020 U.S. energy production in 2019 was higher than U.S. energy consu...YouTube·WUSA91mVerify: Oil production is higher under Biden, but claim needs contextU.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (.gov)U.S. energy facts - imports and exports - EIASep 1, 2026 — The United States has been an annual net total energy exporter since 2019. Up to the early 1950s, the United States produced most of the energy it consumed.1 En...FacebookUnder then-President Donald Trump, the U.S. became a net energy ...Under then-President Donald Trump, the U.S. became a net energy exporter and began producing more energy than it consumed, and that has continued under Presiden...EconofactFact Check: Is the United States Energy Independent because it is a ...Jul 6, 2026 — No * The U.S. has been a net energy exporter since 2019 but this does not make it fully independent of foreign energy supplies or global energy markets. * Accor...Austin American-StatesmanFactJul 30, 2024 — Statement: * As for the other part of Harris' statement, some definitions of "energy independence" have been met — but not all. One definition that was met unde... AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses
As to whether the US has ever really been self-sufficient the answer is probably not. A lot depends on how you define that term. What you neglect to consider is 1) oil is a finite resourse and alternatives will be required at some time why not prepare for that? 2) fossil fuels pollute the air and contribute to climate changes.
For help in understanding the situation with energy self sufficiency, here is AI answer:
was the US self sufficient fuel wise before biden
Yes, but only under a specific definition of the term. Whether the U.S. was "self-sufficient" or "energy independent" before Joe Biden took office depends entirely on how you measure it.The U.S. achieved a major statistical milestone under Donald Trump, but it never completely stopped relying on foreign oil. Here is a look at how the data breaks down under the two primary definitions of fuel self-sufficiency: [1] (https://www.wral.com/archive/20188288/)1. Total Net Exporter (The "Yes" Definition)If self-sufficiency means producing more energy than the country consumes and exporting more than it imports, then yes, the U.S. achieved this before Biden took office. [1] (https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/29/energy-independence-is-a-myth-candidates-dont-care-00154959)According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), the U.S. became a net total energy exporter in 2019 for the first time since 1957. [1] (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php)In 2020, the U.S. also became a net exporter of petroleum (crude oil combined with refined petroleum products like gasoline) for the first time since 1949. [1] (https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/which-factors-determine-us-energy-independence-idUSL2N2VQ2ZV/)2. Zero Foreign Imports (The "No" Definition)If self-sufficiency means the U.S. did not need to import any foreign fuel and was fully insulated from global markets, then no, the U.S. was not self-sufficient. [1] (https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-is-the-united-states-energy-independent-because-it-is-a-net-exporter-of-energy), [2] (https://www.wral.com/archive/20188288/)Even while exporting record amounts of energy, the U.S. never stopped importing millions of barrels of crude oil every day under Trump.This happens because of a mismatch in refinery infrastructure. Most U.S. shale produces "light, sweet" crude oil, but many massive U.S. refineries (especially on the Gulf Coast) are physically built to process "heavy, sour" crude oil imported from countries like Canada, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia. The U.S. exports its extra light crude and imports heavy crude to fill the gap. [1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_energy_independence), [2] (https://www.wral.com/archive/20188288/), [3] (https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-is-the-united-states-energy-independent-because-it-is-a-net-exporter-of-energy)Directly Comparing the ErasThe table below outlines how fuel and energy trends have actually functioned across both the Trump and Biden administrations based on EIA statistics: [1] (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/imports-and-exports.php)MetricUnder Trump (Pre-Biden)Under BidenNet Energy Exporter StatusAchieved in 2019. Total production surpassed total domestic consumption.Maintained. The U.S. remained a net energy exporter every year, hitting new record gaps.Crude Oil ProductionReached historic highs. Peaked at 13 million barrels per day in early 2020 before pandemic-related cuts.Broke new records. U.S. domestic oil production surpassed previous peaks, reaching over 13.5 million barrels per day.Reliance on Foreign OilContinued. The U.S. imported 7.8 million barrels of petroleum per day in 2020 while exporting 8.5 million.Continued. The U.S. still imports heavy crude to feed domestic refineries while exporting its lighter shale oil.Ultimately, the U.S. did hit a landmark shift into becoming a net energy exporter before Biden took office. However, true isolation from the global fossil fuel supply chain has not occurred under either administration. [1] (https://www.facebook.com/politifact/posts/under-then-president-donald-trump-the-us-became-a-net-energy-exporter-and-began-/691898709637902/), [2] (https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/29/energy-independence-is-a-myth-candidates-dont-care-00154959)WikipediaUnited States energy independencecontains an excessive amount of intricate detail In May 2011, the US became a net exporter of refined petroleum products. By 2014, the United States was the wor...E&E News by POLITICOTrump, Biden spar over US energy independenceScott Waldman That allows for some energy imports. Under those terms, both Biden and Trump achieved energy independence. While Biden rarely talks about oil and ...PoliticoEnergy independence is a myth. Candidates don’t care. - POLITICOThe term "energy independence" has been a rallying cry for presidents since the 1973 Arab oil embargo. However, energy experts caution that becoming truly energ...WRALFact check: Despite claims of TrumpMar 15, 2022 — Fact check: Despite claims of Trump-era 'energy independence,' the US never stopped importing foreign oil The United States never stopped importing energy from ...ReutersFact Check: Which factors determine U.S. 'energy independence'?Fact Check: Which factors determine U.S. 'energy independence'? The Misinformation Monitor newsletter rounds up international misinformation narratives, with a ...The Institute for Energy ResearchThe United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First ...The United States Was Energy Independent in 2019 for the First Time Since 1957 IER May 11, 2020 U.S. energy production in 2019 was higher than U.S. energy consu...YouTube·WUSA91mVerify: Oil production is higher under Biden, but claim needs contextU.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (.gov)U.S. energy facts - imports and exports - EIASep 1, 2026 — The United States has been an annual net total energy exporter since 2019. Up to the early 1950s, the United States produced most of the energy it consumed.1 En...FacebookUnder then-President Donald Trump, the U.S. became a net energy ...Under then-President Donald Trump, the U.S. became a net energy exporter and began producing more energy than it consumed, and that has continued under Presiden...EconofactFact Check: Is the United States Energy Independent because it is a ...Jul 6, 2026 — No * The U.S. has been a net energy exporter since 2019 but this does not make it fully independent of foreign energy supplies or global energy markets. * Accor...Austin American-StatesmanFactJul 30, 2024 — Statement: * As for the other part of Harris' statement, some definitions of "energy independence" have been met — but not all. One definition that was met unde... AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@jeancolby Oil is traded on international markets by multi-national corporations. America arguably drills enough of the stuff to provide for domestic consumption, but unless government has effective control over supply and demand (as in China) this is counts for nothing. You are competing on the same market as the rest of us and you are being screwed by the same pointless conflict.
Justafantasy · M
That's 100-200 gallon per side. Averaging 6 MPG and doing 6-700 miles per day legally. Some get better some get worse, I usually haul oversized and 6 was a great day











