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Why do conservatives dislike remote working?

Flexible working has helped women progress in the workplace. Since 2019, the share of women working fulltime in the insurance and finance sectors in the UK rose from 75% to 83%. The rate for mothers in finance rose more than ten percentage points. Overall the share of mothers in work reached a record 79% in 2023.

Now bosses want their staff back in the office, with half of companies requiring their staff to attend at least four days a week. Many women have chosen not to. The employment rate for women with dependent children has fallen from its peak, while that for men has remained steady. By the end of 2023, the difficulty of balancing work and childcare had pushed an estimated 250,000 women out of the workforce, with a worrying spike among the 35-44 year age group in many critical sectors.

Is this why conservatives are really pushing for a return to the office?

Source: The Economist, 13 March 2025.
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MommyLucy · 36-40, F
I think working from home not an office job but just a regular job could be a solution to get some learning disabled people to work without hurting their mental health! 😇😇😇 Some job places can be cruel and people with learning disabilities can sometimes be sensative and working can be overwelming for them! 😥😥😥 I am very lucky to have fantastic work friends but not everyone is so lucky and because of my autism I need to hang upside down when I come home to recharge! 🙃🙃🙃 However my youngest Emily is 13 but mentally a 6 year old so I wouldn't want her working somewhere where people are cruel when she is older because she is like a kid so I think working from home is a fantastic option for those with learning disabilities and if the government made jobs from home for the learning disabled who couldn't cope in a real job then welfare would only be needed for the extremely disabled like my son as those with mild learning disabilities can work safely from home! 😌😌😌
ArtieKat · M
@ninalanyon, @SunshineGirl

Remploy, initially a government-run program providing sheltered employment for disabled people, transitioned to a new model in 2015, becoming a trading name of Maximus, a global leader in health and employability services. The Remploy brand was retired in England and Wales in September 2022, with all contracts now delivered under the Maximus brand, while it continues to be used in Scotland for the Fair Start Scotland contract.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@ArtieKat An American publicly traded company. It pays 25% of it's net income to shareholders (dividend payout ratio [1]), not quite in the spirit of Remploy I feel.

[1] https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NYSE/MMS/dividend/
ArtieKat · M
@ninalanyon Agreed
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
This happens partly because money is not the only thing that motivates managers. I don't know if it's true but it looks as though many in the US and UK get their biggest kicks from being in charge, being able to tell other people what to do and having a higher status because of that regardless of what effects it might have on the bottom line.

Such people exist here too but they are usually quickly taken down a peg or two because society here disapproves strongly of anyone setting themselves above others.

Remote working is a mostly a non-issue here except that production and shop workers can't do it. Salaried employees are paid for the work they do not for where they do it. Here in Norway people in positions that didn't need them to be in the office full time worked at home at least some of the time long before it was fashionable and long, long, before COVID made it necessary.

If I just didn't feel like going in to the office I could send an email to everyone who might need to know and that was that. My boss would occasionally rent a cabin for a week in the mountains so that he could do some cross country skiing but he put a full week's work in too. He was just as available there as he would have been in the office via email, phone, video call, etc.

All of which is a long winded way of say: yes sexism is quite likely a major factor.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@ninalanyon I agree. I actually think it is a protest by a layer of middle management who have suddenly perceived that their positions may soon be redundant . .

It's not so bad here as it is portrayed. It's mostly just a few high profile CEOs spouting off their own opinions and the rest nodding along. But mostly we come to a reasonable compromise and I am confident that the workplace will evolve eventually for the better.

Some bright spark in my organisation signed a 10 year full repairing lease on one of the most expensive (and least accessible) office buildings in the centre of Bristol . . commencing July 2020 🤦‍♀ Much of the impetus to return to the office seems to be a tactful gesture to gloss over quite an expensive miscalculation.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
I didn’t realize that conservatives were against remote workers. I would think the decision to encourage or constrict it would be up to the employer. The discussion gets cloudy because the term “employee” has a legal definition that wasn’t defined by congress but by IRS administration and further defined by judges in courtrooms. There is even such a thing as a “statutory employee” as determined by a judge or government agency. Besides work performed by employees, whether on site or remotely, there is work performed by “independent contractors” which in many cases would more appropriately fit what many remote workers actually do.

Remote work performed by an “employee” has dozens of unresolved issues. Like is the employee covered by workers comp if he/she has an accident at home? Does OSHA have a responsibility to inspect the home for safety compliance? Does the employer have that responsibility? Can a work at home “employee” get away without a time clock to punch in and out? A lot of those concerns could be resolved if status changes from employee to that of independent contractor. Unfortunately, liberals in general oppose hired help being contracted rather than being employed.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@SunshineGirl I think it was ignored rather than resolved. Both employer and employees hesitated before rocking the boat. The remote worker population is generally non-union, so no one to rock the boat on their behalf.

I like the idea of going Independent Contractor for remote workers, and more money considering the need to pay self employment taxes and cover health care benefits. There is a serious need for a streamlined health care buy in system for independent contractors.

Aren’t there still laws on the books preventing garment workers from working remotely? Also, in France (I believe), workers are prohibited from taking work home. Curious to see how they worked around those restrictions during Covid
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Heartlander In the UK, civil servants kept the country going from their kitchens snd living rooms. Clerical workers at HMRC (the main tax revenue department) worked 24 hours a day to ensure emergency grants got to those who needed them most and businesses were able to pay their rent and families were not evicted from their homes. Courts swiftly innovated with remote hearings and ensured that justice continued to be served. The NHS identified the most vulnerable individuals and kept them supplied with food parcels. It is an irony that while people are quick to criticise government when it does not work, they barely notice it the rest of the time.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@SunshineGirl That worked in smaller cities and towns in the US. Big cities on the other hand are more like out of control monsters. Another issue being banking regulations that force banks to act on non-performing loans.

Many US cities are patchworks of overlapping jurisdictions. Like the school system has their own governing board, parks and rec may likewise, public housing likewise, the airport likewise. In some cases the local police department is independent and beyond the reaches of the city commissioners. A set-up for a "you're not the boss of me" food fight.

A close family member is a city official and they worked around the clock remotely to hold the city together during COVID. Of course city revenue declined at a time when the cost of running a city went up dramatically. Thankfully state and federal money were there to fill the gap. In the US, homelessness became a big issue after COVID, when state and federal moneys were no longer there to fill emergency needs, yet the economy had not yet recovered.
From a different perspective- boomers don't seem to get travelling is expensive- I can't afford to go to London 5 days a week!

I love going into work and seeing colleagues face to face- but the cost- renationalise the railways!
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@BritishFailedAesthetic Yes, the cost is unbelievable. Getting it down should be a priority as the rail franchises are taken back into government hands. It's effectively a tariff on working and a hindrance to productivity.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Not sure if that's 100 percent true. I often worked for home, I never had issues with it, as long as the work was completed.
gladewalker · 61-69, M
@nudistsueaz Gov't employees?
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@gladewalker Some can work without supervision. Then some can't.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@nudistsueaz Good! 👍
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
I'm not against it for certain jobs; but I'm not going to give you preferential treatment over someone who actually shows up to work, nor would I offer them equal pay, benefits, etc.

nor would any other successful business; at best, you'd be reduced to a seasonal/temporary part time employee and paid minimum wage; I'm fine with that if they are; if not, they're fired... boohoo
Iwillwait · M
As a Conservative I think it some cases it works well to get more productivity from employees, not in most cases though. The retail/Brick & Mortar office space is a production suite for efficiency and consistent output.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Iwillwait I am a self-employed contractor and can do what I wish. My opinions are based on observing colleagues at the firm I have been based at for six years.

Most of them are "fee earners". They maintain their own client portfolios and their career prospects are directly linked to the money they bring in. They have been instructed to return to the office 4 days out of 5 principally because some bright spark decided to sign a 10 year lease renewal in November 2020. Now everyone has pay homage to this white elephant so said visionary does not look such a d***head.

Apart from that, we mainly get together so some of our managers actually have something to do. The sector in which I work has traditionally struggled to recruit female workers. Remote working was helping to redress the balance. Now those gains are being lost.
Iwillwait · M
@SunshineGirl Your Argument
Sounds very plausible, is this in the US? Sounds like UK Contract, correct?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Iwillwait Yes, in the UK.
jehova · 31-35, M
Idk specifically about England's situation; im in the usa. However, "conservatives" in general seem to want "traditions\traditional roles" and "social values" (usually christain\religious and gender based roles) to remain unchanged; forever. Therefore, conservatives, likely, want everyone to resume in person working to maintain the preestablished structure of society.
Now that it has been established workplace attendance doesnt have to be in-person nor everyday. The economy has changed. Business is done differently AND better now. But they JUST dont want or like change.
Baby boomer syndrome I call it. Luckily most of that generation moved into the future with everyone else.
Fret not! Those ppl that are stuck will die off soon.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@jehova I appreciate your optimism!
jehova · 31-35, M
@SunshineGirl im concerned that confidence the elderly will eventually die is an appropriate expression of optimism. IT IS, but still OMG. Also its really old\ancient politicains that would be to everyones benefit to pass on or .
The other option is maximum term limit and\or age limit of no more than two terms post retirement age. But id be very suprised if a bunch of post retirement age politicians will ever allow that to happen.
Welcome to America doomed to forever be in "boomer retirement syndrome"
Frown.
Convivial · 26-30, F
I think a simpler explanation is the old school approach between managing and supervising and the control that gives people... Just my view
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Convivial And in some sectors exerting completely inappropriate control over younger female employees, I am sad to say (based on personal experience).
Convivial · 26-30, F
@SunshineGirl I was thinking of those that believe micro managing is the only way to keep the serfs under control, but yes, your point is unfortunately valid
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@SunshineGirl The US has a bit of a dark history with female garment workers and their stern management. Also unions pushed back hard against women horning in on their jobs. I believe most of the world have similar dark histories, maybe even darker, much darker.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@jshm2 Yes, that streak of cruelty is a tragic human flaw.
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MarineBob · 56-60, M
Most wouldn't go back even if the employer paid for childcare
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@SunshineGirl should employers deduct the average cost of child care that you are saving.... what about meal prep times?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@MarineBob Why? If a person can do her job just as effectively and productively at home but she is compelled to attend an office, unneccessary financial costs have been added by the employer.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@MarineBob Why should the employer have any say in how you spend your income? Or are you offering to pay my hourly rate for the time I would have to spend commuting? And the bus fare, and a wear and tear allowance for footwear?
If I was your boss paying you a good paycheque.. I’d want to see you work and not eating ice cream in your Jim jams watching Netflix.. and I ain’t even conservative
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout If you are a capable supervisor and you find evidence of that behaviour (as opposed to dreaming about it) you will be able to take appropriate action.

I am 39 years old, more than capable of organising my own work schedule. My performance is regularly monitored and audited by actual output and achievement. Work is something I do, not where I do it.
@SunshineGirl
As a boss I’m not going to even pretend all my workforce is the 1% doing the right thing…

I’m keeping my pimp hand strong
Cars and social ambience. Cars kill, they're causing an ecocide - we normalize that before each day of school and work!!!
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Roundandroundwego Sadly yes, it has become normalised.
Atlotto · M
I don't know about you, but my home office isn't equipped to build a car.
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Atlotto · M
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Atlotto Nor is mine. As a consequence, not many working mothers choose careers in automative engineering.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Why do conservatives dislike remote working?
Why?
Because they can’t visually monitor your work productivity output. They don’t trust what you tell them so it makes them paranoid.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@justanothername Why should they need to trust what you tell them? Surely they give you work to do and you get it done, what more is required?
justanothername · 51-55, M
@ninalanyon Trust and conservatism do not belong in the same sentence.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@justanothername My point is that I do not need to trust the worker. I only have to be able to tell whether they completed an assignment or not and whether it was done by the due date. If they do that then why should I care if the do another job or even subcontract the whole job to someone else?
TexChik · F
Because conservatives know that there is nothing a socialist likes better than doing nothing, lying about it, and getting paid for it...all from the comforts of their own homes. Now, they all have to drive their Teslas into the office and actually earn a day's wage.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@TexChik Or spend two hours in a traffic jam, achieving absolutely nothing . .
TexChik · F
@SunshineGirl Socialists can't drive either? Conservatives get to work on time. 😌
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Because too many abuse it.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@MasterLee Working from home was born out of necessity and employers were happy to.exploit it to the full while it was convenient to them. There has to be give and take in a healthy work relationship.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@SunshineGirl yes, time for workers to give again
Why?

Because the majority of government workers abuse it! They work a second job, etc. Also, their productivity is low…

Facts!
@ninalanyon I guess you don’t know the US very well. Government workers here have unions. Plus, until this present administration, it was close to impossible to fire a government worker. E.g., I used to work for Amtrak, basically a pseudo government entity. I had a friend/coworker there who was a criminal investigator, he told me, unless an employee actually kills or rapes someone (AND, there are witnesses!) it was close to impossible to fire them!
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Thorstormbringer And they can't be reassigned, disciplined, etc.?

It's hard to fire someone here too, nonetheless trust between employees and employers is fairly good.

Also the original post was about remote working in general not the subset of workers who work for the state.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Thorstormbringer Musk does not seem to have had too much difficulty in initiating the termination of employment contracts . .
If it was more productive and profitable to work from home the conservative capitalists would be all for it.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@FeralMindset In the 2010s, in the aftermath of the financial crash, shrinking office footprints and obliging staff to work remotely was widely regarded as being critical to raising productivity. It seems the moment that workers express a preference for a particular working pattern, a certain class of manager feels perversely impelled to oppose it.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
Lots of “this message deleted” replies. That means the hateful maga trolls are put in force.

Trump works from home all the time. From the golf course, too.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@trollslayer And Musk takes full advantage of flexible working arrangements that he denies his own employees 😩
MommyLucy · 36-40, F
@SunshineGirl It makes me sad that Musk does that! 😭😭😭

 
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