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When did gun rights become more important than kids lives?

pdockal · 56-60, M
Who said that ?

GUNS aren't the problem
GUNS need somebody to pull the trigger

MENTALLY DISTURBED people are the problem

SOCIETY is the problem
@pdockal There are very few guns in private hands in Japan, New Zealand, and Denmark (to name a few countries) - are those dictatorships?

The rate of private gun ownership in Yemen is almost as high as in the U.S., so according to your theory, people there should enjoy similar freedom and prosperity.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom

Go back under your rock
You add nothing productive to anything you touch
You just try to create chaos
You useless
@pdockal Nah, you just can't keep up with the argument. Maybe you should work on walking around a tree without getting lost before you try to join the adults.
Your view is extremely naive. First of all, many indigenous hunt, it's part of their culture, is that something you want to erase? Many others hunt to sustain their communities. Many kids grew up with guns in the past, on farms and were fine. Farming equipment likely killed more of them than guns because many were taught to respect them and not mess around.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Slade you feeling unwell?
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@Angelwarfare We had bows and arrows before guns were brought here.

So hunting wasn't a problem for us.

We can hunt without guns, guns are not needed for hunting.

The colonialists brought the guns here.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@Angelwarfare There's more laws and restrictions on who can own a car and drive on the road than guns.

False comparison comparing guns with cars.

To operate a car and get a license, you need to read the DMV manual, pass tests to get a permit and if you pass the driving test you can have your license.

Even Eye tests are required before you can operate a vehicle independently.

Reckless and dangerous driving can get your license revoked/ suspended and you can serve jail time.
ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
When i was going to school, most of the boys had their guns hanging on a rack on the back window of their trucks. Nobody was shooting anybody!
ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
@Graylight no, I didn't attend PS132 in Queens. I've been very fortunate to live in rural areas...along the rivers or in the mountains. Maybe that's a clue... it matters where a soul is raised and their surroundings.
City life and country life are so different on many levels.
....so are people. ❤✌
Graylight · 51-55, F
@ShadowWorker Very, very true. I've lived in both and can't wait to be back out in the land. Stay safe, enjoy the quiet.
ShadowWorker · 61-69, F
@Graylight 🌹🌞
Graylight · 51-55, F
Every US citizen's personal perceived freedoms are more important than anything else. Never before in modern history has a country struggled so hard with self-centeredness. We're the repugnant, know-it-all, smarmy and arrogant teens of the world.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@Graylight

[b]WITH FREEDOM COMES RESPONSIBILITY[/b]
Graylight · 51-55, F
@badminton Nobody says it more often.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@Graylight Thank you.
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You know what gets to me is how every parent that has ever lost a child to a school shooting is forced to relive it every ti.e it happens again. It is beyond cruel.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Around the same time abortion access became more important than kids lives? 🤔
@SumKindaMunster When you repeat antisemitic tropes like "Soros worked with the Nazis" without qualifying it the way you did when I called you out, what am I supposed to think? And if Soros is a "self-serving piece of shit," what about the Mercers, Peter Theil, the surviving Koch brother, and Harlan Crow? I guess they're OK because they pay for the results you approve of. Imagine if Elena Kagan had accepted half-million dollar vacations from Soros the way Thomas did from Crow, and had failed to report them. You'd be screaming not just for her ouster, but for every decision she wrote to be redone, and for her to be thrown in prison. But hey, Thomas is entitled to a little R&R courtesy of his "friend," what's the big deal?

Reade made her initial accusations a year earlier, then suddenly escalated them when Biden was the presumptive nominee. It's suspicious. And when it came out that she had repeatedly falsified her credentials on the stand, it's not surprising that no conservative DA wanted to take her case. Carroll on the other hand told several friends right after the incident, and it doesn't help that Trump has been accused of sexual assault by two dozen other women, and is on tape boasting about it. So the two cases aren't comparable except in your "both sides" world.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7je3b/tara-reade-is-now-being-investigated-for-allegedly-lying-on-the-witness-stand
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom [quote]what am I supposed to think?[/quote] 😆

I dunno dude, that's a question I ask myself sometimes.

[quote]And if Soros is a "self-serving piece of shit," what about the Mercers, Peter Theil, the surviving Koch brother, and Harlan Crow?[/quote]

I don't even know half these people but if they purposefully use their money and power to directly influence American politics for their own selfish purposes then yes they too are "pieces of shit". Ok?

[quote]if Elena Kagan had accepted half-million dollar vacations from Soros the way Thomas did from Crow, and had failed to report them. You'd be screaming not just for her ouster, but for every decision she wrote to be redone, and for her to be thrown in prison[/quote]

No, and again I can't help but chastise you for acting like the guy in "Memento". It's like every time I speak to you, its the first time we've ever conversed. While my politics and sympathies lie on the right hand side of the political spectrum, I am not a slavering right winger who just believes everything a right wing pundit or politician says. And I have disavowed many a right wing conspiracy theory if I think its bullshit, and dismissed many a right wing ideal if I believe it is harmful or doesn't help the country.

If you can be bothered to remember [i]anything[/i] about me for future conversations, I would appreciate if it was that.

[quote]Reade made her initial accusations a year earlier, then suddenly escalated them when Biden was the presumptive nominee. It's suspicious.[/quote] Oh, it's suspicious to you so therefore she is not credible.

[quote]Carroll on the other hand told several friends right after the incident, and it doesn't help that Trump has been accused of sexual assault by two dozen other women, and is on tape boasting about it. So the two cases aren't comparable except in your "both sides" world.[/quote]

Each case deserves to be viewed on its own merits, not whether or not someone has had other accusations in their past.

As far as Reade goes, her lying on the stand about her credentials is certainly notable when it comes to her credibility, however you and other leftists were dismissive of her claims long before any of that came out. I guess its good someone finally found something unrelated to her accusation that tarnished her credibility so you have something to hang your hat on.
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calicuz · 51-55, M
Yeah, I'm done. The United States needs a new Constitution written, and one that reflects the society we have become. But let me be very clear, if we take away the guns from the people, we must take away the guns from our police, but leave the firearms to the military.
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
@calicuz Taking away guns from the police will never happen. Not even in Sweden.
calicuz · 51-55, M
@Queendragonfly

Then there needs to be another solution other than taking away guns from the citizens.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
@calicuz there is, kill all GOP supporters and GOP politicians.
Slade · 56-60, M
I just heard a gun is manufactured in America every 20 seconds. That is sooooooooooooo cool! 👍
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Slade surely after all these years you've learned what communism is
chrisCA · M
@Slade I bet that gives you a boner.
Slade · 56-60, M
@chrisCA it makes me very happy but, unlike you, I don't need an inanimate object to get a boner
Stop pumping kids with a cocktail of anti depressants and hormones mixed with what ever recreational drugs they also scoffing..

Nope.. it’s the inanimate gun..
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout anti depressants might have prevented the shooting 🤦‍♀️
Guns are means to kill people easily. It takes less force to pull a trigger than to use a knife for example.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
And that from someone approving of over 800,000 abortions yearly. Amusing
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@sunsporter1649 so you're saying blame the person, not the gun? Don't you think that if guns were illegal then the killer wouldn't be able to murder innocent kids?
@sunsporter1649 The purpose of firearms are to hurt and kill right? So they just fullfill their fucked up purpose and make it easier for people to kill.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Queendragonfly · 31-35, F
About the same time as government and police proved that they don't care for their citizens.
AsianEyezChulaRp · 31-35, F
@Guitarman123 I wonder if you’re from UK I have a best friend up there and there is not much gun violence. I have to respect that country for not tolerating guns. I think that is a United States didn’t sell to civilians they would be less gun violence for sure. Guns should be only for war in like police officers. I would definitely agree to that, but that’s not gonna ever happen in life, kids get into everything, whether you put a safety or not they will find a way to open the safe with a gun is and bring it to school. There’s so many things I don’t like about United States.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@AsianEyezChulaRp yes crime will always be a thing unfortunately. People accuse "mentally unstable" people of gun crime whilst ignoring that it's the ease in buying those guns without a background check that's been set up by the government that the citizens are supposedly in fear of
IWasCallingYaLarry · 26-30, M
@AsianEyezChulaRp Totally untrue. Criminals are gonna get their hands on whatever they get their hands on to harm people. They do not care for the laws. That's like saying there would be less car accidents if we just ban cars, it makes no sense. Besides, 3D printers exist and also guns are a part of our constitution. Second amendment. England still has other bad crimes because of acid throwing attacks and stabbings. Criminals are going to find something to use no matter what you ban. But people who know absolutely nothing about guns or personal responsibility think only cops should have guns. Okay, so if your house is ever on fire, only the fire department should be allowed to have fire extinguishers. Do you see how that makes no sense? Or that only professional chefs should be allowed to cook? I can keep going on with stupid similar arguments that prove this doesn't work.
AsianEyezChulaRp · 31-35, F
@IWasCallingYaLarry I get it and no chefs are not the only ones who cook I get what you saying , and I heard about the acid throwing in UK my friend told me that petty guys that get rejected by females. They will throw acid at them if they reject him, which is really ignorant, and I hope they get the worst karma ever for doing that to females.
specman · 51-55, M
Gun rights? There are no gun rights for the mentally ill !
@specman There is no mental health check when someone buys a gun. And you people get upset at red flag laws.
specman · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom you people? Isn’t that considered a racist statement?
@specman I don't know what race you are. I assume you're white. It's only racist if it's applied to Black people. With you, I'm just being dismissive and contemptuous.
TrashCat · M
Its like they are more concerned about a man in a dress than a man (or woman) in a school with an AR15
Slade · 56-60, M
@TrashCat got to see one ventilated the other day. Now THAT was cool
Slade · 56-60, M
We have the 2nd amendment because of YOUR tribe.

Thank you (off to the range)!
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Slade still think you are using critical thinking?
Slade · 56-60, M
@Guitarman123 you are a commie. The absolutely last one with any call to lecture about critical thinking
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Slade you're clearly based on emotions rather than any critical thinking skills
Never …

If gun is for protection of lives then let all the kids have guns to protect their own lives from the mad people and then let’s see the result… there will be no one left ..
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Soossie let kids have guns, you being serious?
@Guitarman123

Did you get my point ?? I’m against individuals holding guns and innocent kids being killed by them… that was sarcasm …
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Soossie I was getting worried then
RileyDay1993 · 26-30, M
When the kids the school sacrifices to deformities of the porn industry come back and blow your head off.
@RileyDay1993 It was a religious school that probably bullied the former student to the point that they came back to shoot the place up. Maybe if they weren’t a bunch of anti-trans bigots, this wouldn’t have happened.
kodiac · 22-25, M
Sept 2022 10 dead 16 injured in Canada from mass knife attack .Crazy people will find a way gun or no gun .
Early America. Americans don't have coherent views on rights. They're basically criminals.

 
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