BREXIT? Yes or No?

@Carver Well put!

This is has been going on since 1990, it's not overstated. If nothing else, it's understated, the media being what it is. It is a central issue - the law is badly worded and requirements are too heavy, what's more... and probably worse, the judicial system and lawyers are heavily biased towards extreme solutions that damage businesses, rather than be even-handed and fair to all.

@SW-User Yes, Europe is more progressive than the UK by a long shot. Note how the family of a very, very, very wealthy aristocrat were able to avoid all taxes not least inheritance tax when he died: the Duke of Westminster. In France they beheaded members of the parasitic aristocracy... The Queen in the 7th richest woman in the world but pays next to no tax. Meanwhile there is homelessness, and a complete lack of support for the vulnerable including the elderly and the mentally ill. The UK is in the dark ages

Well the Queen is a special case. Can't answer to that one. I'd be curious about the rest of the elites. As for European progressivism - it stopped being a good thing a while ago, and now borders on forms of autocracy. American and European concepts of freedom (and human rights) are different, and the Europeans stick their noses up at us (and even claim we're the arrogant ones), but individual rights matter in America and that what makes our country great. Europe is great for other reasons- fine, they can have it. The Declaration of Independence doesn't just apply in 1776 - it applies now... as a statement that emphasizes our separateness, in part because of our demand for respect to individual rights. Europeans see things differently.

Well I do agree with that... I'm very wary of US and European media.

@SW-User Tune in to Aljazeera and also news from Russia: gives a very different perspective... Read between the lines too: what's the agenda?

@SW-User If you are getting news from Aljazeera and from Sputnik, then it's mostly nonsense and bias, often purposeful.

@suzie1960 on the positive side re a convenient scapegoat - they will no longer be able to use the EU as a convenient scapegoat for those laws
Being themselves directly accountable to the people - the British Parliament will have to face the music for its decisions

@SW-User It's still early days but the EU is moving towards greater unity. A lot of the problems are caused by the UK vetoing attempts to bring the member states closer together and other varoius motions. In some ways, they'll be well shot of us.

Our Government is even trying to dictate the terms of our leaving the EU rather than negotiate a settlement. Pretty typical really. They're trying to have their cake and eat it. They want all the benefits of EU membership with none of the obligations - they're not going to get it and the sooner they understand that the better.

There is also the problem of the borders with Ireland and Spain. The idea of Schengen is to remove internal borders while strengthening external ones. As a member of the EU we can have an open border with Ireland and free travel between Gibraltar and Spain. When we leave, absent any special arrangement, we have to be shut out. That means closing the borders with Ireland and Spain. No more free cross-border trade or travel.

Many workers in Gibraltar live in Spain, travelling to work will present major problems for them. Businesses in Gibraltar will find it difficult to recruit workers.

Looks like fun times ahead.

Ok, I understand. But two things - first, there are plenty of reports of the EU's efforts toward greater unity being primarily a project of its elites - not of the populations of the countries involved. In many countries the populations are becoming upset with the interference of this extra national body, and not just the EU Parliament - but the bureaucrats and the courts into everyone's business. Stratfor and Geopolitical Futures are two think tanks that think the EU is facing tremendous strains to its unity.
Second point - this is an extra national government - dictating to sovereign countries. The UK is not a occupied country, or one that has totally failed its population and needs intervention. It's a sovereign country with a thousand plus year history, and it's freedoms and opportunities are being decided elsewhere?? Something really doesn't sound right.
The border issue is workable. I know it's problematic - and everyone knew it would be - but that's a workable problem. As for the negotiations - why shouldn't they push for the best deal? And I don't understand why there is a price to leave at all?? 60 billion Euros?... Seriously?!? I don't understand why your government doesn't just say "no" we're not paying that - let's negotiate the rest, but that is off the table. Period. I mean, the arrogance of the EU to demand payment of any kind - almost justifies Brexit by itself. It certainly confirms it.

Just my thoughts.

yep... how 'bout bad spellin'...

@Honeylove Well yeah... it's an older post.