BREXIT? Yes or No?

@SW-User Interesting... Looks like this will be a big issue for at least a while.

@SW-User Yes, and an expensive one

@SW-User I don't get a vote... I'm an American... so it's not my business. That said, my opinion would have supported the Leave side. Basically, after the expense, I think the UK is better off, and I find the EU's bureaucracy dangerously anti-democratic. Just sayin'...

@SW-User In Europe you're allowed an opinion even if youre not a European ;)
The leave vote will mean an opening up of trade with former trading partners. However, the burescracy of the Union was also overstated. What there has been instead are more progressive laws where before England was somewhat in the Dark Ages

@SW-User Really? How so? How was Europe more progressive than the UK? From what I hear the bureaucracy was in everyone's business, even school districts. Furthermore - from what I've read (and I admit as a junkie I've read a lot), they deliberately ignores inconvenient votes.

@SW-User That is a lot of B.S. propaganda. Employment and disability laws for example. Now it is no longer acceptable to treat a disabled person as if you're doing them a favour by employing them....they now have rights with employers required by law to make "reasonable adjustments". There are many, many other examples

@SW-User I disagree with you - it's quite possible to have those protective laws, without the utter abuse of them - such as the American ADA (American Disabilities Act) - that made ridiculous (rather than fair) demands on institutions and facilities, and on the structures. I don't know if the European law is fair or not - of that I have no knowledge... but the American is absurd.
But here are some other examples - the absurdity of having unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats from other countries, in Brussels, telling a school system in the UK what it can or cannot feed its children. In the US that would be grounds for immediate divorce, if not outright rebellion.
Here are some bigger examples:
France voted against the EU Constitution - it was rammed through as the Lisbon Treaty anyways.
Ireland - same thing right - Spain - several countries voted against the EU Constitution (which is an absurd document - but that's neither here nor there), and the EU installed its elements anyways.
I even know of some religious examples...
The only argument on the other side is, that it's all for the good. That these changes are necessary - even if they have to be forced. Needless to say, as I'm sure you figure out by now - I wouldn't have agreed. It's undemocratic to the extreme, elitist, and dangerous autocratic.

@SW-User As someone with a disability I have to strongly disagree with you. Now I have rihhts; before it was favours. B.s. You clearly have no idea how hard it can be to have a disability and face discrimination.Faceless bureaucrats?! Again, total propaganda... They already exist in the UK and have a lot of power: Civil Servants

@SW-User It's not propaganda - and I can fully support the rights of disabled persons, as well as providing them additional services without agreeing to ridiculous stipulations that cripple good businesses that are helping a vast majority of persons.
In fact, I've always supported additional services for the disabled, mentally impaired, and the elderly, and children with special needs - and we could easily.... and I mean easily afford it all if we weren't handicapped with an entitlement state that paid off special interests, full-bodied, wanna-be victims.
Stigmatizing those who do so much by requiring more of them doesn't work. We now have a full generations' worth of experience with the ADA.

@SW-User

Here is just one example of these kinds of abuses:
https://www.alec.org/article/drive-by-lawsuits-and-the-abuse-of-the-americans-with-disabilities-act/

I'm not opposed to the act -- I'm opposed to a legal and political system that allows and even encourages abuses... and the massive cost to US employment it leads to.

Here's another: http://mobile.wnd.com/2004/02/23105/

@SW-User You're looking at the wrong groups if you want to talk about abuse of the system. Hun4t look up and follow the money. The very wealthy who abuse the system in many, many ways love the way these groups are scapegoated, and meanwhile they remain invisible... Abuse of all kinds including of the ruk4e of law and the tax system

That all may be true, but it's a separate issue, and it certainly doesn't justify the abuse of that system.

The abuse of the system is overstated. You are being abused (manipulated) by what is said, published and what isn't. Read between the lines...It's not a separate issue but a central one

This is has been going on since 1990, it's not overstated. If nothing else, it's understated, the media being what it is. It is a central issue - the law is badly worded and requirements are too heavy, what's more... and probably worse, the judicial system and lawyers are heavily biased towards extreme solutions that damage businesses, rather than be even-handed and fair to all.

@SW-User Yes, Europe is more progressive than the UK by a long shot. Note how the family of a very, very, very wealthy aristocrat were able to avoid all taxes not least inheritance tax when he died: the Duke of Westminster. In France they beheaded members of the parasitic aristocracy... The Queen in the 7th richest woman in the world but pays next to no tax. Meanwhile there is homelessness, and a complete lack of support for the vulnerable including the elderly and the mentally ill. The UK is in the dark ages

Well the Queen is a special case. Can't answer to that one. I'd be curious about the rest of the elites. As for European progressivism - it stopped being a good thing a while ago, and now borders on forms of autocracy. American and European concepts of freedom (and human rights) are different, and the Europeans stick their noses up at us (and even claim we're the arrogant ones), but individual rights matter in America and that what makes our country great. Europe is great for other reasons- fine, they can have it. The Declaration of Independence doesn't just apply in 1776 - it applies now... as a statement that emphasizes our separateness, in part because of our demand for respect to individual rights. Europeans see things differently.