"You can't say anything any more". I'm sick of hearing it.
Please describe to me what "you can't say any more. Because of wokeness.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
Racial comedy used to be something I remember fondly throughout the oughts. Seemed like most prominent comics back then had a bit about race, and they were beloved in spite of it.
Nowadays certain well-intentioned but socially clueless people are out to label as many others as they can a 'racist' and act like jokes told in comedy clubs are a part of the problem of racism. I just wanna know why we have to pretend like there aren't certain differences in different cultures. Not necessarily making a judgement call about them, just pointing out that they're there.
People aren't so dumb that they can't tell the difference between someone making lighthearted observations of our differences and someone negatively stereotyping a certain group in order to disparage them.
Can some people take it too far? Absolutely. But I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of people have far more important things to worry about than a joke someone made. I'm willing to bet more people would find it funny than they would offensive.
Nowadays certain well-intentioned but socially clueless people are out to label as many others as they can a 'racist' and act like jokes told in comedy clubs are a part of the problem of racism. I just wanna know why we have to pretend like there aren't certain differences in different cultures. Not necessarily making a judgement call about them, just pointing out that they're there.
People aren't so dumb that they can't tell the difference between someone making lighthearted observations of our differences and someone negatively stereotyping a certain group in order to disparage them.
Can some people take it too far? Absolutely. But I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of people have far more important things to worry about than a joke someone made. I'm willing to bet more people would find it funny than they would offensive.
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@SunshineGirl You're operating on the premise that all jokes about any group are inherently bad and spoken with ill intent. I'd argue that those types get booed out of open mics and never get to see a single special or sold out crowd. Maybe they get a marginal following on the internet somewhere, but I think we'd both agree that's a potential problem with any kind of influencer.
Ultimately, if you're funny, witty, good-natured, and your message resonates with a wide audience, those are the types that find success and are able to reach millions. A bigoted bully never sees their career take off. I don't share your paternalistic mindset that people can't tell the difference between comedy and prejudice. That comedians are these cruel, hateful bullies and want to openly disparage others and therefore should be censored.
It's just classic liberal sanctimoniousness to get offended on behalf of others that aren't even offended. If you actually got to speak with people of different races, which I don't think you have too much of in your part of the UK, you'd know racial humor is a bonding experience between different kinds of people.
We're not idiots that need white people to tell us how to think and feel. We know when something is meant to be a lighthearted jab and when it isn't. We live through the times when it isn't. A joke is not a big deal to us. It only matters to someone with far too much time on their hands that needs a cause to get upset about in order to make their life less boring.
Ultimately, if you're funny, witty, good-natured, and your message resonates with a wide audience, those are the types that find success and are able to reach millions. A bigoted bully never sees their career take off. I don't share your paternalistic mindset that people can't tell the difference between comedy and prejudice. That comedians are these cruel, hateful bullies and want to openly disparage others and therefore should be censored.
It's just classic liberal sanctimoniousness to get offended on behalf of others that aren't even offended. If you actually got to speak with people of different races, which I don't think you have too much of in your part of the UK, you'd know racial humor is a bonding experience between different kinds of people.
We're not idiots that need white people to tell us how to think and feel. We know when something is meant to be a lighthearted jab and when it isn't. We live through the times when it isn't. A joke is not a big deal to us. It only matters to someone with far too much time on their hands that needs a cause to get upset about in order to make their life less boring.
LeopoldBloom · M
@TinyViolins The difference is whether you're punching up or punching down.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@TinyViolins You have an opinion, I have an opinion. Let us agree to differ.
I was not getting "offended on behalf of others". I have East European heritage and a name that most people cannot pronounce. The other half of my family is Welsh. My opinions are formed partly by personal experience.
I was not getting "offended on behalf of others". I have East European heritage and a name that most people cannot pronounce. The other half of my family is Welsh. My opinions are formed partly by personal experience.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
I only had to learn how to navigate the Western societies on the internet. I am sometimes rather taken aback by what I hear in real life even in professional environments. Some stuff is really inappropriate but as long as the person doesn't seem to be a threat physically, I create some judgement and move on, decide that I don't want to interact with the person any more than necessary.
As for social media, I won't even get into it. 😂 Some people push it way too far.
As for social media, I won't even get into it. 😂 Some people push it way too far.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@basilfawlty89 Who is to say what is a banter and what is intended to tease and provoke? Lots of picking on nationalities and ethic groups can be seen as offensive if you watch as an outsider but it could be two people who are totally cool with each other.
But random people in all seriousness whining about a white woman wearing a kimono are just a bunch that has too much time on their hands and seem to exist just to annoy other people.
But random people in all seriousness whining about a white woman wearing a kimono are just a bunch that has too much time on their hands and seem to exist just to annoy other people.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@CrazyMusicLover I'll concede the kimono point.
However, wouldn't it be up to the community the joke is about to say if it's offensive or not? I'm certain a Black person can tell Anti-Black racism better than someone who isn't Black.
However, wouldn't it be up to the community the joke is about to say if it's offensive or not? I'm certain a Black person can tell Anti-Black racism better than someone who isn't Black.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@basilfawlty89 It's good old reading the room, I think. If you are bad at it, rather bite your tongue. And online it applies even more.
Miram · 31-35, F
I can say whatever I want.
Just this morning I was talking to an Imam i.e Islamic preacher. We were discussing the Forty Rules of Sufism Love.
And I said the rule entailing that God created us to be an unfinished ongoing art work sounds like he had ADHD.
Starts and quits half-way and then starts something else.
He tried to backpedal to the rule before that one because he worried about my blasphemy.
I of course said it again because I felt it is an interesting observation and only I control my mouth.
It is part of being an unfinished art work.
Just this morning I was talking to an Imam i.e Islamic preacher. We were discussing the Forty Rules of Sufism Love.
And I said the rule entailing that God created us to be an unfinished ongoing art work sounds like he had ADHD.
Starts and quits half-way and then starts something else.
He tried to backpedal to the rule before that one because he worried about my blasphemy.
I of course said it again because I felt it is an interesting observation and only I control my mouth.
It is part of being an unfinished art work.
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
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eMortal · M
You mean censorship or cancel culture?
Google "wokeness".
Google "wokeness".
YoMomma ·
Who’s side are you on?
LeopoldBloom · M
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LeopoldBloom · M
@basilfawlty89 Dr. Laura lost her radio show after going on a rant with a caller, complaining that Black people can use the n word but she can't. She then repeated it a bunch of times.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
The way Americans talk is a powerful thing! You're killing the ecosystem and dying off while talking like something else is going on. Brilliant. Finally finish this. Go away forever.
gol979 · 41-45, M
Israeli government is committing genocide and a man cannot change into a woman
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LeopoldBloom · M
@Reason10 Especially when you confuse gay with Trans.
What if one of your co workers assumes you're gay or female? That wouldn't bother you?
Refer to God as "she" and suddenly you people think pronouns are important.
What if one of your co workers assumes you're gay or female? That wouldn't bother you?
Refer to God as "she" and suddenly you people think pronouns are important.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@Reason10 thanks for sharing your opinion, ma'am.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Reason10 Thank you for your profound and carefully considered contribution to the debate 🙄