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In American politics, which gets confusing for me,

Are liberals the Democrats or the Republicans and same question for conservatives?

Is Trump democrat or republican and was Biden democrat or republican
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
🍰 Liberals = Democrats

They tend to support government programs for healthcare, education, climate action, social equality, and more regulation on businesses.

Joe Biden is a Democrat (liberal-leaning).

🍳 Conservatives = Republicans

They generally support smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation, traditional values, and a stronger focus on personal responsibility and national security.

Donald Trump is a Republican (conservative-leaning).

Here's where it might be confusing:

Not all leftists are Democrats, and not all Democrats are very far to the left.

Here’s a breakdown:

🌹 Leftists vs. Democrats

Leftists can include:

Socialists, democratic socialists (like Bernie Sanders or members of the Democratic Socialists of America)

Anarchists, communists, anti-capitalists

People who want major structural change — not just tweaks to the system, but big shifts in economics, policing, healthcare, and more

Many leftists feel the Democratic Party is too moderate, corporate, or unwilling to push for real justice

Democrats can include:

A big mix: moderates, liberals, progressives, and a few leftists

Mainstream Democrats like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton are generally more center-left.

They work within the current system and tend to support gradual reform, not revolution

🧠 Why it matters:

Someone can be very liberal (e.g., pro-abortion rights, pro-LGBTQ+, pro-universal healthcare) and still think the Democratic Party doesn’t go far enough.

Some leftists refuse to vote Democrat at all, especially in protest of things like foreign policy, policing, or corporate influence.

If you ever hear someone say, “I’m a leftist, not a liberal,” that’s usually what they mean — they see liberals (and Democrats) as too soft or too centrist.

Now here's the conservatives:

🍍 Mainstream Conservatives / Traditionalists

Usually associated with the Republican establishment (e.g., George W. Bush, Mitt Romney)

Prioritize:

Free-market capitalism

Strong national defense

"Family values" and religion

Gradual change, not revolution

May clash with Trump-style populists

🍊 Populist / Nationalist Conservatives

Associated with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement

Prioritize:

“America First” policies (anti-globalism, strong borders, tariffs)

Distrust of elites, media, and government institutions

Culturally conservative, but economically flexible (some support Social Security, trade protectionism)

🍩 Libertarian Conservatives

Want small government across the board — economically and socially

Prioritize:

Lower taxes

Minimal government regulation

Personal freedoms (e.g., pro-gun, but often also pro-drug legalization)

Example: Rand Paul (sometimes)

Religious / Christian Conservatives
Motivated by faith-based values

Prioritize:

Opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage

School prayer, religious freedom laws

Often overlap with Traditionalists and Trump votersFiscal Conservatives
Care most about economic issues:

Reducing government spending

Cutting taxes

Balanced budgets

May be less concerned about social issues

🍕 Far-Right / Extremist Groups

Includes white nationalists, neo-Nazis, militia groups

Not representative of most conservatives, but some align with the populist right

Often anti-democracy, conspiratorial, and authoritarian-leaning
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SatanBurger to complicate things more, one can be a socialist and still favor fiscal conservatism, as long as the wealth is not so highly centered that the gap between poverty and the uber rich is not as great as it is today. I find myself a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative. You might call my method to achieve fiscal conservative places me more as a socialist, but you can deal with the expenses by cutting the, and by increasing revenue, aka taxes. We have cut expenses a lot, we have not raise taxes in many years. We can save Social Security immediately by raising the cap and increase the rate of taxes [aid to SS as payroll taxes, and insure that everyone contribute into it.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger The lines are getting blurred within the Replican party. Trump in some ways is not a fiscal conservative with his economic isolationism and barriers to free trade.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@SatanBurger Would you consider what you call "Mainstream Conservatives / Traditionalists" to be Center-Right in the same way you consider Mainstream Democrats to be Center-Left?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
Democrats mostly occupy the left side of our politics and Republicans mostly occupy the right side of our politics. BUT, be careful with words like liberal and conservative because they may mean different things here versus where you are.

Trump is a Republican, but he was not historically. And he is very much not a traditional conservative. He is most accurately described as a populist.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@sarabee1995 Liberals here call themselves right-wing (or at most center, though usually they call themselves right-wing) so it's fairly accurate. Over there they can't, because the two party system force them to coexist along with non right-wingers in the same party, and if the alike of Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, or even more so Manchin, Fetterman, etc started calling themselves "right-wing" you'd see the turnout sink even lower. But we do have Trump like conservatives as well, so it's not perfectly accurate saying that European conservatives match your establishment Dems: European conservatives match more or less your entire spectrum, minus the Sanders/AOC branch of the Dems that however is hostage of a primarily neoliberal party

It's also why "liberal" is pretty much used as synonym for "progressive" (which is the actual opposite term to "conservative") in the US, whereas here they're two very distinct thing. It's crazy that two such different ideologies are forced to stay in a single party. Hardly someone who votes liberal here would vote for progressives and hardly progressives would vote for liberals (I did in the last EU elections because I didn't like the progressives' stance about Ukraine, but indeed that's exceptionally rare)
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@Elessar Are your "Trump-like conservatives" called conservatives or are they recognized as populists?

I ask because I am certainly right-of-center and likely (according to @SatanBurger's spectrum below) somewhere between a mainstream conservative and a libertarian conservative (although I don't actually like either label); and despite being right-of-center, I have never been anywhere close to supporting President Trump's end of the spectrum.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@sarabee1995 We generally don't use the term "conservative" much, but "rightwing", at least in Italy; Trump alikes are called "far right-wing", and just "right-wing" only if the old era conservatives aren't part of the discussion.

They're generally kept distinct so long as they don't blend: for instance, we don't stress much the distinction between Tajani's regular right-wing and Meloni's far right, since they govern together and are seen pretty much as one big party. On the other hand, the average German will probably keep the CDU/CSU and the AfD separated enough that I don't think they'd call them both with the same term.

I wish we had someone like AOC or Sanders here and I'd be pretty much in their camp. Or even, for many aspects I've liked President Biden (his economics, most of how he handled Russia minus for being a bit too conservative, I'd have sent maybe more stuff earlier). I think your European equivalent would be the EPP, maybe slightly ECR, from our exchange. I think you'd have a positive opinion about the current German chancellor, for instance?
If you're European, it's very confusing because the Democrats - the more left-leaning US party - align with many policies supported by European conservatives. For example, most Democrats - like most European conservatives - support universal health care, strict gun control, access to abortion, and carbon reduction to reduce global warming.

The Republican party, who oppose those positions, is much farther to the right; they correspond to the BNP in the UK or the AfD in Germany.
Nightwings · 31-35, F
@Elessar Tbf the things he mentioned: "support universal health care, strict gun control, access to abortion, and carbon reduction to reduce global warming" are not specifically conservative values in most EU countries, they are just values which all the parties share. I'm thinking countries like Germany, France, Scandinavia, probably Italy too?
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Nightwings Nominally they all support it, it's disqualifying in Europe being against it. In practice, when you have conservative governments (especially of the last two blocks) public healthcare gets silently cut
Nightwings · 31-35, F
@Elessar Ah yes, that's a very good point.
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
Democrats are identified as "liberal," but for the most part they're centrists. Republicans have become extreme right wing conservatives.

Trump is a Republican. Biden was a Democrat.

In the past, things were different. In the mid-19th century, for example, the Democrats were the establishment part and very conservative. It was the Democrats of the time who supported slavery. The newly founded Republicans, in contrast, opposed slavery and supported maintaining the union; I don't know if you'd call them liberal or not.

This was the way of things through the Civil War and most of Reconstruction. Over time, though, the Republicans became the party of business interests and favored "rugged individualism" over communalism, while the Democrats became the part of labor and working people. By the time of the Great Depression, both parties had flipped, mostly.

After World War II, there was a lot of turmoil in the Democratic party. Part of the party supported ideas that might be called socialist — Social Security and such — as well as equal rights for women and minorities. Other parts of the Democratic party held on to its blatantly racist past. These were the Dixiecrats (I'm unsure if they ever actually split off into a third party).

After the recessions, social upheaval and other issues of the '60s and '70s, America turned to an aged former actor named Ronald Reagan to "make America great again." By this time, the Republicans and solidified as the pro-business, pro-conservative values party. As it was no longer socially acceptable to publicly campaign against things like equal rights, the Republicans allied themselves with the conservative evangelical movement and adopted an anti-abortion stance as its rallying cry. The Reagan years overturned a lot of what America had valued up to that point, laying the groundwork for the disastrous regimes of the Bushes and the current felon-in-chief.

So, there's a quick overview of American politics, and my pedantic lecture of the day.

Class dismissed.
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
Liberals tend to be Democrat and are represented by a blue color.
Conservatives tend to be Republican and are represented by a red color.

Trump is a Republican. Biden is a Democrat.

Both parties are rather subservient to wealthy interests while pretending to support the average person. I can see how economically they would appear to be the same to an outside observer. Social policy tends to have more contrast these days.
Jenny1234 · 56-60, F
@ViciDraco thanks for telling me the colours. I forgot to include that in my question cuz I didn’t know it
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
@Jenny1234 yeah, they are inverted from what Europe uses in most places so I thought to include that detail.
YoMomma ·
Democrats are usually more liberal
and Republicans are generally more conservative .. but there’s all types

I think Trump ran Republican and Biden was a Democrat?
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
@YoMomma correct
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
To go with my last comment. I wanted to add that since the election of Trump, we are officially the conservative populist variety of conservativism in the US. That's what you're seeing now.

Although it overlaps with religious and small govt Libertarianism i.e. DOGE
Your questions have already been pretty much answered, but its worth noting that Trumpism doesn't really fit traditional political labels well.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
D is for dementia
@MarineBob such as frontotemporal dementia?
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
Today that’s how it is.

Democrats: liberal, left, Biden, Blue
Republicans: conservative, right, trump, red
Nightwings · 31-35, F
Then what happens if a conservative person is also a democrat for instance?
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
@Nightwings yes. you can be a conservative Democrat. Conservative just means traditional. Anybody can be traditional. It’s just that in the US most conservatives happen to be republican. But you can be from the Congo for example and have traditional values which would make you a conservative, and also vote democrat.
Zonuss · 46-50, M
Trunp is Republican.
Biden is Democrat.
You see the difference clearly right now.
There is nothing more to really say. 😉

 
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