Help me understand please

@ElwoodBlues Oh, so in America I would be a Democrat. =)

@ElwoodBlues I'd say the democrat party isn't properly a match for European conservatives either, it's basically a heterogeneous mix of all ideologies that aren't Trumpism, forced to present themselves as a single party in order not to succumb to first past the post.

We also have pretty much the same division as yours:

- 🇺🇸 Third-party left (Stein) => 🇪🇺 GUE/NGL (Melenchon's LFI, LINKE, PODEMOS, etc.)
- 🇺🇸 Sanders/AOC wing of the Democrat party => 🇪🇺 S&D
- 🇺🇸 Establishment wing of the Democrat party => 🇪🇺 Renew (e.g. Macron)
- 🇺🇸 Traditional Republicans (Cheney, Bush, etc.) => 🇪🇺 EPP (e.g. Merz, Merkel, Tajani, etc.)
- 🇺🇸 Far right anti-Russia Republicans => 🇪🇺 ECR (Meloni's FdI, Polish PiS, etc.)
- 🇺🇸 Far-right pro-Russia Republicans => 🇪🇺 ID / "PATRIOTS" (AfD, RN, Lega, etc.)

The difference is that here they're all individual parties, themselves composed of smaller national parties, rather than two superblocks

@Elessar Tbf the things he mentioned: "support universal health care, strict gun control, access to abortion, and carbon reduction to reduce global warming" are not specifically conservative values in most EU countries, they are just values which all the parties share. I'm thinking countries like Germany, France, Scandinavia, probably Italy too?

@Nightwings Nominally they all support it, it's disqualifying in Europe being against it. In practice, when you have conservative governments (especially of the last two blocks) public healthcare gets silently cut

@Elessar Ah yes, that's a very good point.