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Help me understand please

In American politics, which gets confusing for me,

Are liberals the Democrats or the Republicans and same question for conservatives?

Is Trump democrat or republican and was Biden democrat or republican
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
🍰 Liberals = Democrats

They tend to support government programs for healthcare, education, climate action, social equality, and more regulation on businesses.

Joe Biden is a Democrat (liberal-leaning).

🍳 Conservatives = Republicans

They generally support smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation, traditional values, and a stronger focus on personal responsibility and national security.

Donald Trump is a Republican (conservative-leaning).

Here's where it might be confusing:

Not all leftists are Democrats, and not all Democrats are very far to the left.

Here’s a breakdown:

🌹 Leftists vs. Democrats

Leftists can include:

Socialists, democratic socialists (like Bernie Sanders or members of the Democratic Socialists of America)

Anarchists, communists, anti-capitalists

People who want major structural change — not just tweaks to the system, but big shifts in economics, policing, healthcare, and more

Many leftists feel the Democratic Party is too moderate, corporate, or unwilling to push for real justice

Democrats can include:

A big mix: moderates, liberals, progressives, and a few leftists

Mainstream Democrats like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton are generally more center-left.

They work within the current system and tend to support gradual reform, not revolution

🧠 Why it matters:

Someone can be very liberal (e.g., pro-abortion rights, pro-LGBTQ+, pro-universal healthcare) and still think the Democratic Party doesn’t go far enough.

Some leftists refuse to vote Democrat at all, especially in protest of things like foreign policy, policing, or corporate influence.

If you ever hear someone say, “I’m a leftist, not a liberal,” that’s usually what they mean — they see liberals (and Democrats) as too soft or too centrist.

Now here's the conservatives:

🍍 Mainstream Conservatives / Traditionalists

Usually associated with the Republican establishment (e.g., George W. Bush, Mitt Romney)

Prioritize:

Free-market capitalism

Strong national defense

"Family values" and religion

Gradual change, not revolution

May clash with Trump-style populists

🍊 Populist / Nationalist Conservatives

Associated with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement

Prioritize:

“America First” policies (anti-globalism, strong borders, tariffs)

Distrust of elites, media, and government institutions

Culturally conservative, but economically flexible (some support Social Security, trade protectionism)

🍩 Libertarian Conservatives

Want small government across the board — economically and socially

Prioritize:

Lower taxes

Minimal government regulation

Personal freedoms (e.g., pro-gun, but often also pro-drug legalization)

Example: Rand Paul (sometimes)

Religious / Christian Conservatives
Motivated by faith-based values

Prioritize:

Opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage

School prayer, religious freedom laws

Often overlap with Traditionalists and Trump votersFiscal Conservatives
Care most about economic issues:

Reducing government spending

Cutting taxes

Balanced budgets

May be less concerned about social issues

🍕 Far-Right / Extremist Groups

Includes white nationalists, neo-Nazis, militia groups

Not representative of most conservatives, but some align with the populist right

Often anti-democracy, conspiratorial, and authoritarian-leaning
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SatanBurger to complicate things more, one can be a socialist and still favor fiscal conservatism, as long as the wealth is not so highly centered that the gap between poverty and the uber rich is not as great as it is today. I find myself a social liberal, but a fiscal conservative. You might call my method to achieve fiscal conservative places me more as a socialist, but you can deal with the expenses by cutting the, and by increasing revenue, aka taxes. We have cut expenses a lot, we have not raise taxes in many years. We can save Social Security immediately by raising the cap and increase the rate of taxes [aid to SS as payroll taxes, and insure that everyone contribute into it.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger The lines are getting blurred within the Replican party. Trump in some ways is not a fiscal conservative with his economic isolationism and barriers to free trade.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@SatanBurger Would you consider what you call "Mainstream Conservatives / Traditionalists" to be Center-Right in the same way you consider Mainstream Democrats to be Center-Left?
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@JimboSaturn He's a populist, nationalist conservative. Except he doesn't support any social services at all, I don't know what you'd describe that as
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@sarabee1995 A lot of the family value conservatives end up to be freaks so I'm not sure. It's so muddied as the conservatives have gone to the farther right. And all the nutcases espouse family values so that's hard to say.

I would say yes it's considered centrist to be a mainstream conservative but since the rise of maga it seems like it's only populism now.