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SinlessOnslaught · M
@LegendofPeza I didn't really make many choices back then.
LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
@SinlessOnslaught Good luck with your recovery.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@LegendofPeza CBS, CNN and MSNBC are no better.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
The answer you're going to get depends entirely on the biases held by the people you ask, and likewise I have my own opinion. But rather than add more noise to an already cacophonous discussion, I'm going to share a few statistics that add some context to Trump's victory.
1) Trump had 4 years to campaign for President, while Harris only had 4 months. Despite that, Trump only got 1.5% more votes than she did.
2) More voting-eligible citizens chose to not vote at all in the 2024 election than to vote for Trump. When you take all of the adult population of America, less than 1/3 actually voted for him
3) In the aftermath of Covid-19, roughly 4 out of every 5 democratic elections around the world saw the incumbent politician or party lose in their presidential elections. That's a historically high level of government changeover that has never been seen before. The 2024 US election also followed that trend
1) Trump had 4 years to campaign for President, while Harris only had 4 months. Despite that, Trump only got 1.5% more votes than she did.
2) More voting-eligible citizens chose to not vote at all in the 2024 election than to vote for Trump. When you take all of the adult population of America, less than 1/3 actually voted for him
3) In the aftermath of Covid-19, roughly 4 out of every 5 democratic elections around the world saw the incumbent politician or party lose in their presidential elections. That's a historically high level of government changeover that has never been seen before. The 2024 US election also followed that trend
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ThesebootsRmade4walking · 46-50New
I don't vote or involve myself in politics because I feel they are all corrupt elites telling lies to gain power over the masses. I try my best to see the good in everyone. It's an absolute mess and my heart cannot handle all the hurt and pain influcted by politicians. I know I should be more involved but I focus on my immediate community and trying my best to be a good human being. I struggle seeing others in pain so I enjoy my solitude as much as possible. Have a blessed day
RockerDad · M
@jeancolby I agree that’s true. I’ve had about 50 percent of the elections go in my direction over my lifetime, but this is not a normal situation. I feel like we have begun to normalize insane behavior in Trump and others. The majority of centrists in either party have either left politics completely , or assumed crash positions.
BlueGreenGrey · M
@jeancolby
This endless cliché of false equivalence is getting the world nowhere, denying that there is actually a good and an evil side is just keeping us stuck in the same rut. If we were talking about HItler or Mussolinli I imagine your false equivalence would cease and you could recognize which side is evil, and that there is indeed somethign wrong with the supporters of evil.
@BrandNewMan
BS ... unlike Trump, Obama was not even a fascist, just another ordinary, boring centrist (aka Republican Lite):
Just because someone votes for a candidate doesn't mean there is something wrong with [them]
This endless cliché of false equivalence is getting the world nowhere, denying that there is actually a good and an evil side is just keeping us stuck in the same rut. If we were talking about HItler or Mussolinli I imagine your false equivalence would cease and you could recognize which side is evil, and that there is indeed somethign wrong with the supporters of evil.
@BrandNewMan
Hoping a sitting President dies rather than that he succeeds in making things better seems unique to liberals
BS ... unlike Trump, Obama was not even a fascist, just another ordinary, boring centrist (aka Republican Lite):
spjennifer · 61-69, T
The sad reality is that the Democrats put forth a Black Woman as their Candidate after Biden resigned. There is no way that America was going to elect a Black Woman as President for a good long while to go still. Perhaps, and that's a BIG maybe, if she'd had more time to get her message and policies out, she might have won by a very slim margin, but I doubt it. If Biden had been capable, he might well have beaten tRump again...
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spjennifer · 61-69, T
@spjennifer it’s true and that’s a perfect example of gaslighting.
RockerDad · M
In an American, and I’m just as baffled as you.
BlueGreenGrey · M
The US electorate is consistently plagued by a sizable number of people who are:
- low-information voters who proudly say they do not read the news (but do not say that they also are only getting all of their facts from social media rando quacks)
- people who would like vote against evil but are too damn lazy and apathetic to actually go vote at all (if you allow fascists into office just because you stayed home, you are complicit and a part of the problem, there is no excuse ... if you truly think there is nothing you want to vote for, at least get off your *ss and vote against fascism)
- people who truly clueless about how the economy works, who won't even acknowledge real ecnomonic indicators that call BS on their notion that the economy is tanking, and thus will consistently punish an incumbent POTUS because of their perception, regardless of party, regardless of the fact that a POTUS does not control every aspect of the free market economy that the US is so beholden to,
- the false equlivance / both-sides-are-bad cult who either fall into the apathy non-voting column or who go bonkers and vote for a self-styled populist «outsider» just to be contrarian, and somehow convince themselves that this demagogue is not actually a far-right fascist, and is somehow «just like them» when they clearly are not ... one side is clearly, consistently, demonstrably «worse» than the other, this notion that it's just one uniparty cabal minority of elites trying to magically gain control over 300 million people can and will never hold water
- people who think that cycling back and forth between the Democrats and GQP every other election cycle somehow makes them an «independent» (or «moderate») when all it actually achieves is an endless cycle of one step forward then two steps back (as one would logically expect) ... this has parallels with the people who believe that rejecting mainstream journalism somehow makes them «free-thinkers»
- a perhaps unique contingent who on one hand will consistently acknowledge that Trumpism is bad, but in the next breath will bellow «I will only be ruled by a government from 200 years ago before I will be ruled by a government of today!» which sounds just like MAGAspeak / libertarian nuttery, denies the flaws of our initial government (many of the precious founding fathers were slaveowners FFS, there is no reason at all be deifying them), denies all the changes in the world (and the magnitude of them) and increases in scientific knowledge in the last 200 years ... this reaction was stirred by simply asking if they would abide by another mask mandate for another pandemic (and this person is one of the commenters on your post)
- people who pretend that centrists are actually CoMmUnIsTs (which is just insane) ... these people could not pick real «far left radicals» out of a lineup if their lives depended on it
- primary election voters who keep advancing centrists instead of progressives to the general election, when Third Way neoliberalism is what has been causing a surge in the far-right since 1992, and thus by the general election the choice of Republican Lite vs Republican is not an actual alternative at all
- regressive people who still cannot fathom voting for a woman as POTUS (which ironically includes a non-trivial amount of immigrant voters), even though female heads of state are common outside of the US
And these are just the diseases of the electorate itself, separate from the anti-democratic mechanisms of US elections and government working in parallel with this idiocracy tendency ... mechanisms like the electoral college (originally created to benefit southern slave states) and a federal senate whcih grants two senators to every state regardless of population ... plus denying statehood to a city / district with more residents than Wyoming
- low-information voters who proudly say they do not read the news (but do not say that they also are only getting all of their facts from social media rando quacks)
- people who would like vote against evil but are too damn lazy and apathetic to actually go vote at all (if you allow fascists into office just because you stayed home, you are complicit and a part of the problem, there is no excuse ... if you truly think there is nothing you want to vote for, at least get off your *ss and vote against fascism)
- people who truly clueless about how the economy works, who won't even acknowledge real ecnomonic indicators that call BS on their notion that the economy is tanking, and thus will consistently punish an incumbent POTUS because of their perception, regardless of party, regardless of the fact that a POTUS does not control every aspect of the free market economy that the US is so beholden to,
- the false equlivance / both-sides-are-bad cult who either fall into the apathy non-voting column or who go bonkers and vote for a self-styled populist «outsider» just to be contrarian, and somehow convince themselves that this demagogue is not actually a far-right fascist, and is somehow «just like them» when they clearly are not ... one side is clearly, consistently, demonstrably «worse» than the other, this notion that it's just one uniparty cabal minority of elites trying to magically gain control over 300 million people can and will never hold water
- people who think that cycling back and forth between the Democrats and GQP every other election cycle somehow makes them an «independent» (or «moderate») when all it actually achieves is an endless cycle of one step forward then two steps back (as one would logically expect) ... this has parallels with the people who believe that rejecting mainstream journalism somehow makes them «free-thinkers»
- a perhaps unique contingent who on one hand will consistently acknowledge that Trumpism is bad, but in the next breath will bellow «I will only be ruled by a government from 200 years ago before I will be ruled by a government of today!» which sounds just like MAGAspeak / libertarian nuttery, denies the flaws of our initial government (many of the precious founding fathers were slaveowners FFS, there is no reason at all be deifying them), denies all the changes in the world (and the magnitude of them) and increases in scientific knowledge in the last 200 years ... this reaction was stirred by simply asking if they would abide by another mask mandate for another pandemic (and this person is one of the commenters on your post)
- people who pretend that centrists are actually CoMmUnIsTs (which is just insane) ... these people could not pick real «far left radicals» out of a lineup if their lives depended on it
- primary election voters who keep advancing centrists instead of progressives to the general election, when Third Way neoliberalism is what has been causing a surge in the far-right since 1992, and thus by the general election the choice of Republican Lite vs Republican is not an actual alternative at all
- regressive people who still cannot fathom voting for a woman as POTUS (which ironically includes a non-trivial amount of immigrant voters), even though female heads of state are common outside of the US
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And these are just the diseases of the electorate itself, separate from the anti-democratic mechanisms of US elections and government working in parallel with this idiocracy tendency ... mechanisms like the electoral college (originally created to benefit southern slave states) and a federal senate whcih grants two senators to every state regardless of population ... plus denying statehood to a city / district with more residents than Wyoming
BrandNewMan · M
@BlueGreenGrey Quite the list of elitist excuses that basically assume anyone with different views is a lesser human than you are. Fact is that twice om the last 9 yrs more people chose Trump over crappy liberal candidates that were not seen as a better option.
Despite the attempts to take him out, he's still in the role. Your excuses dont change that .. now do they?
Despite the attempts to take him out, he's still in the role. Your excuses dont change that .. now do they?
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
It's not difficult to understand.
Democratic strategist James Carville said it best.
[media=https://youtu.be/kaH8s3zd7CE]
Democratic strategist James Carville said it best.
[media=https://youtu.be/kaH8s3zd7CE]
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Thinkerbell
Nothing. I was just making jest of his chatter-box communication style.
Years ago, a friend once attended a function where Carville was also in attendance. And at some point found himself standing next to Carville in the men's restroom, at the urinal, peeing. Even there, Carville was non-stop yapping about what a wonderful leader Bill Clinton was, through peeing, washing his hands, drying them. Non-stop :)
I love him anyway. Even from the opposite ends of the political polls, even as annoying as he can be. A colorful personality I could easily be friends with.
Nothing. I was just making jest of his chatter-box communication style.
Years ago, a friend once attended a function where Carville was also in attendance. And at some point found himself standing next to Carville in the men's restroom, at the urinal, peeing. Even there, Carville was non-stop yapping about what a wonderful leader Bill Clinton was, through peeing, washing his hands, drying them. Non-stop :)
I love him anyway. Even from the opposite ends of the political polls, even as annoying as he can be. A colorful personality I could easily be friends with.
PatKirby · M
@Thinkerbell
Carville reminds me of Skeletor, but without the muscles
[media=https://youtu.be/3JcesvnxGLE]
Carville reminds me of Skeletor, but without the muscles
[media=https://youtu.be/3JcesvnxGLE]
ididntknow · 51-55, M
Did, you, prefer, Biden ?
NerdyPotato · M
@laotzu92 so buzz words to invoke fear and anger with no basis in reality.
BrandNewMan · M
@NerdyPotato Lol .. no .. that is the democrat's playbook
Unlearn · 41-45, M
What made you elect modi?
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M
Well, the question need not be entirely on Americans. Right wing populism has taken off in a lot of other places
JSul3 · 70-79
Low voter turnout.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Kamala never wanted the job
RockerDad · M
@AthrillatheHunt neither did Biden, but he got into the race to protect the country from Trump.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@RockerDad shoulda ran in 2016
LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
meJess · F
They had a very limited choice and were more worried about the alternative presumably.
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ididntknow · 51-55, M
There are Globalists,
There are Nationalists,
There are Nationalists,
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