Socialism at its finest

@ChipmunkErnie haven't you heard? Everything republicans don't like is socialism. 🙄

@NerdyPotato or woke

@Elessar Yes that's true 😐

@HootyTheNightOwl Perhaps, but 1) the regulation clearly indicates that he has no share of the quota, and 2) that doesn't excuse lying to a customer.

@windinhishair He's not lying if he genuinely believes what he says is true, though.

@HootyTheNightOwl OK. I will go with willfully ignorant and deliberately misinformed. People who sell something should be familiar with the regulations that govern them. There is no excuse not to know.

@WalksWith The dealer lied to the customer to try and get an extra sale.

I seriously doubt he'd admit to that online.

@sree251 Have you read the regulation? I posted a link where you can read it. Yes, truck weight is considered in registering trucks not only in New York, but all states.

@sree251 I am very opposed to purely electric vehicles meant for highway transportation of anything, they are deeply unethical. Best use is on a local property, or as a forklift, preferably in a warm climate.

That being said, I'm open to the idea of hybrids or alternative fuel sources, as long as they don't make it too difficult in terms of infrastructure to refuel or costly to maintain the vehicles.

Basically I don't want a scenerio where half the country is sitting in a tesla refueling station for a hour while the other half is desperately looking for a available spot to open up so they can sit for a hour. People mock me for wanting to live in a van, but electeic car owners are pretty much doing the same at refueling stations.

And yes, I know how the tech works, including the home chargers. Most people can't do that, they rent and park on the street. Only state set up for electric cars with enough plugs everywhere outsise where people park is Alaska, for keeping batteries warm all winter, and I doubt they want anything to do with a electric vehicle in very cold temperatures.

@Bhs123 i don’t think things are bad now. I’m not “escared” like you.

@soar2newhighs The applicable regulation is the Advanced Clean Trucks (ACT) Regulation at 6NYCRR Subpart 218-4. You can google it and read it directly, but be prepared to be disappointed. It says the opposite of what the OP alleges. There is no requirement for dealers to fulfill a quota.

@windinhishair Thanks. I’ll look at it.

@soar2newhighs NYSDEC has a summary of it so you don't have to slog through the entire regulation. I posted a link to it earlier in this post.

@ArishMell good point and i cant tbh. Would be interesting to see it

@gol979 https://dec.ny.gov/environmental-protection/air-quality/controlling-motor-vehicle-pollution/heavy-duty-vehicles @ArishMell

@windinhishair Thank you!

It is clear that the dealer was incorrect - by will or accident only he can admit. He will not want to tie up a lot of capital buying electric vehicles his customers are reluctant to buy from him, though; so both parties need incentives to change.

Essentially the law is to encourage moving away from Diesel-engined heavy-goods vehicles, in stages.

This is not radically different from policies in many other countries; although some, including the UK, are focussing presently more on cars and light vans, perhaps while alternatives for large vehicles are still being developed.

This is furthered by by tighter design, construction and testing regimes generally; and by emission-zone controls in many cities, applied typically by daily fees on those made before certain manufacturing standards came into force. The aim is to persuade using public transport, walking or cycling as much as possible, rather than private cars; but it does hit businesses and residents within the low-emission areas.

So the salient part of the New York regulations, is:




The complaints would seem based dealers and customers missing or misunderstanding that third paragraph. So not enforcing the customers' choice; but I cannot of course predict what a lawyer in the USA might read into it!

@Guitarman123 aaahh i was looking for u comrade. we need PARTISANS to support DIESEL POWER

@Threepio Unfortunately they are incorrect at best, or lying.

@windinhishair Well..... they are car salesmen at heart.... so there is that.

@Threepio Indeed they are.

@nudistsueaz Yes, as determined by a vehicle dealer trying to exploit the law.

It looks to mes not unlike organisations in the UK doing similar with EU-originated regulations, either out of fear or for profit, but both ways by not comprehending the regulations properly and adding to them. We called it "gold-plating" them.

@ArishMell sad really.

@nudistsueaz Yes, it is.

@trollslayer Do you understand socialism?

@Bhs123 you're a bit off topic on someone else's thread. 🙄

@NerdyPotato haha

@sree251 Is annilhilation of those that don't agree with your far-right ideas a man's job?

Vehicles are a major contributor to degradation of air quality. Regulating vehicle emissions is necessary to improve the quality of life for billions of people. And it is technologically achievable. I know making a few bucks is far more important than people's lives or the quality of their lives for people of your ilk. Nuclear war due to environmental regulations is just not going to happen. People like you might GO nuclear, but the issue will still exist after your tantrums.

@windinhishair
You have got to be kidding. Check on wildfires around the world. The smog from gas vehicles messes up city air. Emissions control has to a large extent cleaned up city air in American cities. Elsewhere in third world countries like India, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc smoke belches out from cars and trucks. No emissions regulations. And that is nothing compared to the wildfires spewing out particulates into the air cutting down visibility to a less than a thousand feet for hundreds of miles. Indonesian wildfires messed up air in neighboring countries all the way to the South China Sea. Californian wildfires are pretty darn bad. Canadian wildfires send haze down to Chicago.

@sree251 Wildfires are indeed a major issue and problem. Thank you for bringing it up. And wildfires are up significantly due to...............wait for it...............global climate change! So controlling emissions from vehicles helps with air quality issues in multiple ways. Imagine that!