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Why is Kamala called the 1st black VP?

I see that she is Jamaican & Indian. Why is she not considered either one of those
nationalities?
Barefooter25 · 46-50, M
Not only that, what the media and the TDS people on this site fail to mention is that her Jamaican ancestors were slave owners. Her father admitted this years ago.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@Barefooter25

Bet I know where you got that talking point from:

SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@BohemianBabe Actually…..

graphite · 61-69, M
She is being fawned all over by the Democrat media. She said Trump's stance to close the border was separating mothers from children - as in illegals coming in. She has zero concern for American mothers separated from their children forever by the crimes of illegal aliens. American citizens don't count.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Illyria sigh....yes everybody knows where Trump came from. They don't know much about
Kamala.
tindrummer · M
@graphite what pure unadulterated bs 😅
Illyria · M
@DogMan That's literally all you have to beat her with; she slept with some guy who "shaped her future" 🙄
Northwest · M
Why is Kamala called the 1st black VP?

So you think black is a nationality? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Northwest Oh please, you know that Black means African American, when someone lives
in America.
Northwest · M
@DogMan
Oh please, you know that Black means African American, when someone lives
in America.

Someone who lives in America, who's been exposed to society outside of Utah, and has more than 2 colors in their repertoire: white and others, understands very well that Black is not a nationality. Being American is a nationality, but MAGAs don't understand what that means.
tindrummer · M
@DogMan 🙄
"Black" is shorthand for a particular way society or a community treats a person based on their appearance, and the identity that grows out of that treatment. Here's what Ms Harris and her sister looked like as children.
Since she was treated as black, she developed an identity consonant with that.

You are also discussing ancestry. The vast majority of the population of Jamaica came from Africa as slaves to be enslaved in British sugar plantations (roughly 85% at the time of emancipation). So it's not surprising that Jamaicans that came to the US were treated like other descendants of slaves from Africa.

I notice someone mentioned slave owners in her ancestry. It was a fact of slave life that female slaves were frequently raped by male slave owners, slave overseers, etc. This industrial scale rape means that many African Americans who have some white ancestry are the descendants of such rape victims. I can't see how that impugns the descendants in any way shape or form.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html
https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/sexual-exploitation-of-the-enslaved/
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues I have also read that some people believe in white purity, and this is why
anyone that has a drop of black or brown blood, cannot be called white.

It sounds very racist to me.
@DogMan I have the impression that the laws against interracial marriage contained that idea of one drop making a person non-white.

SCOTUS struck down such laws in the aptly named Loving v Virginia 1967 decision. Prior to that, in some states interracial marriage - as defined by the one-drop rule - was a crime.

Should be settled law, right? But the recently overturned Roe v Wade decision came less than six years later.
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4meAndyou · F
Because it's all about skin color. If it makes you feel any better, the descendants of black slaves made some comments about Kamala when she first ran with Biden, saying, "She might be black, but she's not one of us."
Kamala is VP. Cheatlle was the head of The secret Service. The one thing both have in common is that they were abysmal in their job duties. Color of their skin had nothing to do with that.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@soar2newhighs you are entitled to your view, but try to list pros and cons and see what you think. Answer are you worse off now than in 2018 or better?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Spoiledbrat Black people have made it to the top, everywhere, and in every field.

Although blacks do have a disadvantage in somethings, they also have an advantage in
other things.

There is nothing holding black people back, except themselves.

The sooner we stop making them victims, the sooner more of them will follow the
recipe for achieving their goals.
I said the in the past they have been held back so what if we have a first black president or a first woman president. Bfd@DogMan
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F

What a sharp reversal! This is all we heard from your ilk for over 3 1/2 years of Biden’s term:

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways the Republican approach, if you can't argue on accomplishments or philosophy and policy, go after them with slurs!
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways thanks for agreeing,but, sadly, my first response when inserted cartoons or these videos is far right.
Just the same way white people are just white people. We can't know everyone's nationality so we call them black.
@Spoiledbrat The reason they lump all white people together as one is so that "people of color" can remain in the minority and portray victims.
JSul3 · 70-79
@DogMan I simply ask anyone their name and let the conversation go from there.
@JSul3 But sometimes we talk about people as a whole.🙄
Torsten · 36-40, M
To pander to the people who love making everything about race and a cheap attempt to get the black majority of votes
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Media and our society likes to put "black" or "Afro-American" as the numb er one ethnic option because of our history of African-American slavery. Like Tiger Woods, who early in his career pointed out he considered himself more Asian than Black, but media and people ignored his personal choices. BTW -- I believe the Jamaican part of Harris' ancestry is not autocthonous Carribean but descended from African slaves brought to Jamaica, so African-American, not Jamaican applies.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@JSul3 So Rathbone would be a South African American, British English with a drawl.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@DogMan Or an Afrikaans-American? I dunno. Is Ted Cruz a Canadian? He was born in Canada, but to US parents.
JSul3 · 70-79
@DogMan "You've come to Nottingham once too often!"
DogMan · 61-69, M
What would happen to a person that is half black, and half white, if they decided they
were to be called white? Would the Democrats accept a person like this?
Illyria · M
@DogMan Yes. Us liberal Dems are very hot on pronouns and titles. We would 100% embrace this! 😊
Illyria · M
Because to racists, anyone who is not White is Black, regardless of heritage.

You should know that.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Illyria I do remember learning that back in the days of slavery, if a white man got
a black woman pregnant, the offspring could not be called white, due to racist's
wanting to keep the "White" pure. Is that also why Obama is called black by the
Democrats? It takes a special kind of Racist, to call someone black,
that is 1/2 white
Illyria · M
@DogMan It does indeed. And most of them are on this site.
JSul3 · 70-79
@DogMan I consider Obama bi-racial. He may consider himself black. I am fine with that.

Halle Berry considers herself black. No problem by me.
Why aren’t Ramaswamy and Haley calling out those who only see Kamala as “ black”? She is the daughter of an Indian Mother.
And if she wants to weigh in, the wife of the Trump, V.P. Pick, J.D. Vance the daughter of Indian immigrants also raise the point of Kamala’s lack of exposure and attention to her Indian heritage.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@BohemianBabe DEI is the worst idea ever. It will ruin this country. But it will work out
with the left. If they are in the right circle when everything crumbles, they will be royalty.

Of course it will only be 0.001 % of the Democrats.
@DogMan You know almost every veep is a DEI hire, right? Obama needed more support from old white men, so he picked Biden. McCain needed more support from women, so he picked Palin. Trump was having trouble winning over Evangelicals, so he picked Pence.
@BohemianBabe Yeah I do want it brought up. Kamala is bi racial, but it is apparent the perception of her is that she’s black. Her Indian heritage is not a talking point. The people I mentioned should use it.
PatKirby · M
Because the naive dreamy left is putting the cart before the horse on their way to utopia.
nedkelly · 61-69, M
No, she is an AMERICAN of mixed heritage
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Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@nedkelly dont tell that to the LEFTIES
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
In India they would call her a darky
Adrift · 61-69, F
@Patriot96 In Africa they would most likely call her white.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Patriot96 Is that what Boris Karloff was called?
joe438 · 61-69, M
The DEI checklist doesn't have boxes for either of those.
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chrisCA · M
Where did Jamaicans come ftom?
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@chrisCA When Jamaica was colonized back in the 1490's, it was first under Spanish rule and was named Santiago.

Then, in the mid 1650's, it came under British rule, it became Jamaica.

And while under British rule, Jamaica was part of the British West Indies.

And it wasn't until 1962, that Jamaica became independent of the United Kingdom.
chrisCA · M
@Sidewinder I understand, buy weren't black Jamaicans native to Africa, or their ancestors were?
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@chrisCA there was slavery in Jamaica at the time.

People of African origin involuntarily removed from their native homelands and forced to labor in the sugar plantations.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
Not only that, she's also the first female VP. (that I know of)
So I read in the comments below- apparently Jamaicans aren't black, that was an interesting museum visit.
@Activitykittens Based on her identity, it's up to her, she has a basis.
@BritishFailedAesthetic So there actually is some nuance here. The racial concept of blackness and whiteness were created in America. African-American descendants of slaves grow up with black identity. But a lot of people in Jamaica and Africa aren't familiar with blackness and don't think of themselves as black. So it's not uncommon for Jamaicans or Africans to not identify as black. The same thing happened when various European groups came to America. They didn't know they were white until they learned about racial dynamics in America.

Today we have a globalized world where everyone grows up on American media, so this is changing. But it's not uncommon to still run into African immigrants in America who say they're not black, because they're not African-American.
@BritishFailedAesthetic Yes. It is up to her if she identifies as black. I wonder how she does view herself. I was being facetious about her skin though, it's brown.

I thought this was cute.

hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
I think that Piers Anthony gave a very good explanation of what it means to be classed as black in his 1970s novel Macroscope.
She is. She also gets called the first veep of South Asian descent.
Vin53 · M
Why? Because you touch yourself at night.
AndysAttic · 56-60, M
does it matter?
Illyria · M
@AndysAttic It does to the racists on this site.
In the past it was of Kamala said, 'first Asian'
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@Illyria It is proof that Biden has/ had a lifelong problem of sticking his foot in his mouth. This was just another example. And no doubt you remember his remark about going through La Guardia airport in NYC, don’t you?
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@Patriot96 For him, it’s a shame his many comments were caught on audio recordings.
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@JSul3 I know. He has bigger plans. Like being King of the New World Order.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@NoThanksLeon First they have to finish the job of bankrupting the U.S.

Then the Socialist powers will swoop in and save the day. And yes, I think Obama
will be in the lead.
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@Illyria Yet her RACE is being highlighted by the Democrats. Highlighted by calling her "the FIRST" ... as if her skin color somehow made her inferior in their eyes.
Illyria · M
@NoThanksLeon It's also a fact. She's the first FEMALE and first BLACK Vice President. But the American people, least of all the Democrats, did not find Obama inferior as he was the FIRST black man to be president. For TWO terms.

And they won't find Harris inferior either. She's already won this election :) And I, for one, am absolutely delighted! 😎
@Illyria So tell me, why is a "black man" winning the presidency for two terms such a big deal to you and the rest of your ilk?
It's been done before by other human beings.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@MethDozer Black=African. Or African American, as she is referred to.
MethDozer · M
@DogMan and the majority of Jamaicans are????

She's mixed so what about it?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@MethDozer I believe that the majority of Jamaicans, are Jamaican, right?

Or is the Jamaican a person without a country?

 
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