SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
my top 10 proposed slogans:
1. let's make politicians honest again
2. let's make senators and house members subject to term limits. and a mandatory retirement age - 75?
3. let's make america sober again - both booze and drugs
4. let's deliver the mail on time again.
5. let's make the IRS individual taxpay rules less than 2,000 pages long again.
6. let's make america have fewer than 800 military bases around the world again
7. let's have a cutoff of welfare again - a fixed period, say 10 years?
8. let's make housing affordable again. stop local zoning laws that prevent construction of mobile home communities and apartments near "wealthy areas"
9. let's make schools insist on something more than a 5th grade reading level for a high school diploma again.
10. let's make blue collar trades respectable again: plumbing, carpentry, HVAC, welding, electrician. not everyone needs a college degree in political science.
1. let's make politicians honest again
2. let's make senators and house members subject to term limits. and a mandatory retirement age - 75?
3. let's make america sober again - both booze and drugs
4. let's deliver the mail on time again.
5. let's make the IRS individual taxpay rules less than 2,000 pages long again.
6. let's make america have fewer than 800 military bases around the world again
7. let's have a cutoff of welfare again - a fixed period, say 10 years?
8. let's make housing affordable again. stop local zoning laws that prevent construction of mobile home communities and apartments near "wealthy areas"
9. let's make schools insist on something more than a 5th grade reading level for a high school diploma again.
10. let's make blue collar trades respectable again: plumbing, carpentry, HVAC, welding, electrician. not everyone needs a college degree in political science.
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Elessar · 26-30, M
@Thewhazzupdude That ship has sailed Nov 5th lol
Unless you mean annexing it into the new Roman empire in that case yeah
Unless you mean annexing it into the new Roman empire in that case yeah
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Ontheroad · M
Let’s make America United Again
is the obvious answer, but the problem is that our Constitution, in reality, disallows a united country.Don't get me wrong, the idea of our Constitution is for a somewhat utopian nation, and yet in its wording set up a country divided.
Our Constitution establishes a republic, not a democracy, and therein lies the problem with unity. Then, after establishing a republic, the power was given to separate states to self-govern.
To have unity, you must have the will of the majority as the driving force, not of those in power.
By definition, a republic is a representative form of government that is ruled according to a charter, or constitution, and a democracy is a government that is ruled according to the will of the majority.
I love our country, served it in uniform, and went to war for our country, but it is in crisis.
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Food for thought. The term united is in need of refining. The perfectly united country, if I really use that term strictly, is one with a dictator as a leader. I keep hearing someone stating that we need to unite, but that same person tries to divide the population at every turn, unless they agree with him.
united /jʊˈnaɪtəd/ adjective
Britannica Dictionary definition of UNITED
1
: involving people or groups working together to achieve something
a united campaign against drug abuse
2
: made up of members who share the same purpose, interest, etc.
a united Europe
a united family
The party must present a united front on these issues. [=all party members must show agreement about these issues]
— often used in the names of countries and organizations
the United States of America
the United Methodist Church
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u·nit·ed
/yo͞oˈnīdəd/
adjective
joined together politically, for a common purpose, or by common feelings.
united
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joined together as a group:
united against Factions previously at war with one another are now united against the common enemy.
united in The whole town was united in grief.
It was the first film festival to take place in a united Germany.
united /jʊˈnaɪtəd/ adjective
Britannica Dictionary definition of UNITED
1
: involving people or groups working together to achieve something
a united campaign against drug abuse
2
: made up of members who share the same purpose, interest, etc.
a united Europe
a united family
The party must present a united front on these issues. [=all party members must show agreement about these issues]
— often used in the names of countries and organizations
the United States of America
the United Methodist Church
Dictionary
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u·nit·ed
/yo͞oˈnīdəd/
adjective
joined together politically, for a common purpose, or by common feelings.
united
adjective
US /juːˈnaɪ.t̬ɪd/ UK /juːˈnaɪ.tɪd/
Add to word list
B2
joined together as a group:
united against Factions previously at war with one another are now united against the common enemy.
united in The whole town was united in grief.
It was the first film festival to take place in a united Germany.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
my top 10 better slogans:
10 - let's make america native again
9 - lets make america a low tax nation again
8. let's make america the world's tech leader again
7 - lets make america the best example of democracy again
6 - let's make america a nation of high school grads who can read above the 5th grade level again
5 - let's make america sober and drug free again
4 - let's make america free from russian and chinese news disinfo again
3 - let's make america a nation which embraces immigrants seeking citizenship again
2 - let's make america a nation where candidates campaign on the issues, and not hate speech again.
1 - let's make america affordable again
10 - let's make america native again
9 - lets make america a low tax nation again
8. let's make america the world's tech leader again
7 - lets make america the best example of democracy again
6 - let's make america a nation of high school grads who can read above the 5th grade level again
5 - let's make america sober and drug free again
4 - let's make america free from russian and chinese news disinfo again
3 - let's make america a nation which embraces immigrants seeking citizenship again
2 - let's make america a nation where candidates campaign on the issues, and not hate speech again.
1 - let's make america affordable again
@SusanInFlorida As a First Nations Native with Cherokee heritage, I agree 1,000% with #1
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@NativePortlander1970 watch the film "the black robe" and tell us what you think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Robe_(film)
a more benign take on native americans is in the recent film "the revenant"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revenant_(2015_film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Robe_(film)
a more benign take on native americans is in the recent film "the revenant"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revenant_(2015_film)
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Shadyglow · F
Yeah united in ignorance and lost-ness and greed. In total contempt for the human spirit.
United in giving in to the most common denominator in choosing our leaders, destroying splendid alternatives and debasing ourselves and our children's futures at the same time we blather about change and greatness.
United in the unreality of what we are doing to the planet and our own most precious dreams for our Mother Earth and its human family
United in giving up on dreams of peace justice and sustainability anywhere for anyone, United in embracing a horrid unnatural death for this planet and all life on it. UNITED IN LYING ABOUT ALL THIS. Not telling the truth effectively is almost like not telling it at all.
United in giving in to the most common denominator in choosing our leaders, destroying splendid alternatives and debasing ourselves and our children's futures at the same time we blather about change and greatness.
United in the unreality of what we are doing to the planet and our own most precious dreams for our Mother Earth and its human family
United in giving up on dreams of peace justice and sustainability anywhere for anyone, United in embracing a horrid unnatural death for this planet and all life on it. UNITED IN LYING ABOUT ALL THIS. Not telling the truth effectively is almost like not telling it at all.
Shadyglow · F
@Soossie Its a dream-=question
But the actuality is the unity we have now is pretty much like what I said
The rest is divisiveness and wistful dreams. I cant lie. The truth is way too frightening. But without knowing the reality of USA's position
theres no dream to ever come true
I WANT UNITY OF LOVE AND PURPOSE. And for the majority of the usa that means more guns and unnecessary death worldwide, more countries used up for the sake of usa's paranoia and war mongering and more powerful cultures like yours made to look like a dangerous enemy. Sanctions. Threats. Saber rattling. Will some of the world be forced to act a certain way cause another country holds all the strings?
America now thinks its supposed to hate and wanna make war on China too. South America and Europe is all right wing again and it shows. People have way fewer real choices for life here than ever. That's positively challenging but few people see it so.
You were always an ambassador of Peace here. You do more than your part in making a nicer SW. Warm and hopeful. But you need a bigger role, like Mayor of the World. Its something to dream about. We all love you very much too.
Until it comes true I too can dream.
We need a greater chance for real positivity here not just wistful musings and beautiful art.
I like to share songs like Ombra Mai Fu by Handel. In my best world all sentient creatures would be praying/singing out exquisite songs like that. I strive for social and political harmony/justice like they did in the European "classical" era.
and I know dreams always have to come first or they can never come true...
Thank you for being an ambassador of Unity Peace and beautiful art... right here in e-land!!.
But the actuality is the unity we have now is pretty much like what I said
The rest is divisiveness and wistful dreams. I cant lie. The truth is way too frightening. But without knowing the reality of USA's position
theres no dream to ever come true
I WANT UNITY OF LOVE AND PURPOSE. And for the majority of the usa that means more guns and unnecessary death worldwide, more countries used up for the sake of usa's paranoia and war mongering and more powerful cultures like yours made to look like a dangerous enemy. Sanctions. Threats. Saber rattling. Will some of the world be forced to act a certain way cause another country holds all the strings?
America now thinks its supposed to hate and wanna make war on China too. South America and Europe is all right wing again and it shows. People have way fewer real choices for life here than ever. That's positively challenging but few people see it so.
You were always an ambassador of Peace here. You do more than your part in making a nicer SW. Warm and hopeful. But you need a bigger role, like Mayor of the World. Its something to dream about. We all love you very much too.
Until it comes true I too can dream.
We need a greater chance for real positivity here not just wistful musings and beautiful art.
I like to share songs like Ombra Mai Fu by Handel. In my best world all sentient creatures would be praying/singing out exquisite songs like that. I strive for social and political harmony/justice like they did in the European "classical" era.
and I know dreams always have to come first or they can never come true...
Thank you for being an ambassador of Unity Peace and beautiful art... right here in e-land!!.
Carlam · 70-79, F
Both slogans evoke powerful aspirations. 'Let’s Make America Great Again' speaks to a vision of progress and excellence, while 'Let’s Make America United Again' emphasizes unity and solidarity. Each carries its own resonance depending on the context and vision for the future. What matters most is the spirit behind the slogan and our collective efforts towards a better America for all.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@LeopoldBloom
I agree about nostalgia for golden ages causing fascism … but I doubt if unity has got anything to do with golden ages … neither greatness… However, I believe that everyone desires greatness through unity and political and cultural democracy ..
I agree about nostalgia for golden ages causing fascism … but I doubt if unity has got anything to do with golden ages … neither greatness… However, I believe that everyone desires greatness through unity and political and cultural democracy ..
LeopoldBloom · M
@Soossie Unity is great, but America has never been unified, except maybe during World War Two. It's depressing to think that the only way we can come together is if we're at war. Although every war since then has only exacerbated divisions.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Great Again!!
Considering how some places are united in misery, united may not be a good slogan to cheer us on.
BUT ... I prefer calling us the United States of America rather than America. We can be united and different; just united and respectful of one another and our differences is good enough for me. .
Considering how some places are united in misery, united may not be a good slogan to cheer us on.
BUT ... I prefer calling us the United States of America rather than America. We can be united and different; just united and respectful of one another and our differences is good enough for me. .
swirlie · F
@Heartlander
I fully agree, that is why "United States of America" doesn't work either. Truth is, "USA" has transformed itself into another oxymoron... like "American Intelligence".
Really, American Intelligence, after this last Election for POTUS?🤔
Don't think so, kids! Not today! 😂
Considering how some places are united in misery, united may not be a good slogan to cheer us on.
I fully agree, that is why "United States of America" doesn't work either. Truth is, "USA" has transformed itself into another oxymoron... like "American Intelligence".
Really, American Intelligence, after this last Election for POTUS?🤔
Don't think so, kids! Not today! 😂
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@swirlie "United" like in United States is a good reference to the relationship between states. All 50 of us are unique, yet united. Maybe not all states at any one time, but most of us are.
One thing that may not be apparent to non-US observers is that most states are indeed united and most of us citizens are pretty happy. Actually, even states like California which seems to have a disproportional share of miserable people , those miserable people are pretty much clustered in just 5 or 6 areas, and not the entire state.
From my own vantage point in Kansas, last week's election is like a breath of fresh air. One way to explain it is that with the new administration and congress, the pockets of misery in the US will at least hold their borders and not spread to Kansas or anywhere near Kansas, It's like "what happens in San Francisco thankfully stays in San Francisco." Likewise for LA, NYC, and another dozen other clusters of misery. Heck, maybe some of those miserable people will see how happy we are here in the Heartlands and it will inspire them to clean up their mess..
One thing that may not be apparent to non-US observers is that most states are indeed united and most of us citizens are pretty happy. Actually, even states like California which seems to have a disproportional share of miserable people , those miserable people are pretty much clustered in just 5 or 6 areas, and not the entire state.
From my own vantage point in Kansas, last week's election is like a breath of fresh air. One way to explain it is that with the new administration and congress, the pockets of misery in the US will at least hold their borders and not spread to Kansas or anywhere near Kansas, It's like "what happens in San Francisco thankfully stays in San Francisco." Likewise for LA, NYC, and another dozen other clusters of misery. Heck, maybe some of those miserable people will see how happy we are here in the Heartlands and it will inspire them to clean up their mess..
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Adogslife · 61-69, M
@Soossie That’s the way it was taught when I was growing up. But, when majority rules becomes minority (population) rules, it gets a lot more volatile. It’s what we’re in the middle of right now. The hard right have found a chink in the armor - people eventually get sick of the tail wagging the dog.
This is going to end just like his campaign initially with Hillary. The Dems are going to cause their own defeat because of their candidate’s public image.
This is going to end just like his campaign initially with Hillary. The Dems are going to cause their own defeat because of their candidate’s public image.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Soossie but, you are buying into the concept that the US isn't a great country now! We have our problems, but if we are not already great, why do so many from so many places try to get here? We do need to go a 'more perfect" union, one that supports equal justice and such things as access to health care, clean air and water, safe workplaces, etc., all the things that have been the goal for hundreds of years.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Soossie I am not really "judging you." But, I am commenting on the words you chose. Words do matter. We all need to watch the words we use, I agree I need to be as well. They can be misinterpreted and become weapons.
He has already said that God saved him, and I can only imagine what his party will do with that.
He has already said that God saved him, and I can only imagine what his party will do with that.
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@lpthehermit As in what product(s)? The US citizen wants access to inexpensive goods, the big corporations want to increase their profit margins, so how do US corporations compete? Do you suggest decreasing hourly wages? Do you really believe that adding tariffs, aka taxes, to the cost of products from other countries will encourage US industry to increase production?
lpthehermit · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2 i agree...corporate greed is a huge problem for which there seems be no solution
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@lpthehermit decreasing the taxes on them, which does not result in lower prices! the corporate profits, and CEO incomes increase!
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Briggett · T
@lpthehermit why bother when you have elected a man who’s broken so many laws between heaven and earth. How about so trickle down morality from the top.
If the people on top won’t obey laws why should you think the people at the bottom should behave any better.
If the people on top won’t obey laws why should you think the people at the bottom should behave any better.
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Nobody ever wants to play the hypothetical do they
Great, I pick great
Great, I pick great
@Jackaloftheazuresand
Unity is not about being neighbors .. unity is more about cultural and political democracy …
Unity is not about being neighbors .. unity is more about cultural and political democracy …
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Soossie True unity is all encompassing and due to our reality if you had that it would be the antithesis to greatness and unity at lesser levels would be exclusionary so any system that defines unity as a requirement for greatness would be self defeating. I think unity is entirely unrelated as a concept in that neither has an effect on the status of the other, why should they
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swirlie · F
Neither, because neither have any relevance today nor ever did.
There is no such thing as "The United States" because the entire concept of a democracy is the opposite of uniting, which is why the USA is not actually united within it's democratic process... because it can't be by definition!
To 'unite' means to bring together as one, but in a democracy, both sides are suppose to oppose each other which is what democracy means... to have opposing views and to stand in support of a party which supports your own political views.
The only true political system that can be called "united" is a dictatorship, where everyone agrees with the dictator whether you agree with him or not. Those who live within a dictatorship government are united in purpose and intent as dictated by that country's government.
For anyone to think that they can unite the people of the United States of America, simply doesn't understand the concept of a democracy in the first place.
There is no such thing as "The United States" because the entire concept of a democracy is the opposite of uniting, which is why the USA is not actually united within it's democratic process... because it can't be by definition!
To 'unite' means to bring together as one, but in a democracy, both sides are suppose to oppose each other which is what democracy means... to have opposing views and to stand in support of a party which supports your own political views.
The only true political system that can be called "united" is a dictatorship, where everyone agrees with the dictator whether you agree with him or not. Those who live within a dictatorship government are united in purpose and intent as dictated by that country's government.
For anyone to think that they can unite the people of the United States of America, simply doesn't understand the concept of a democracy in the first place.
@swirlie
In democracy a country is governed and controlled by an organization elected by the majority of the population, then unity finds its concept is the context of democracy … because people who believe in democracy accept the choice of the majority while using their freedom to disagree with their planning, strategies, and way of controlling the country for a certain time …
Not correct … people usually oppose the dictator leaders and government … they might unite against oppression but never with the dictatorship … believe me and take my word for it …
To 'unite' means to bring together as one, but in a democracy, both sides are suppose to oppose each other which is what democracy means
In democracy a country is governed and controlled by an organization elected by the majority of the population, then unity finds its concept is the context of democracy … because people who believe in democracy accept the choice of the majority while using their freedom to disagree with their planning, strategies, and way of controlling the country for a certain time …
The only true political system that can be called "united" is a dictatorship, where everyone agrees with the dictator whether you agree with him or not. Those who live within a dictatorship government are united in purpose and intent as dictated by that country's government.
Not correct … people usually oppose the dictator leaders and government … they might unite against oppression but never with the dictatorship … believe me and take my word for it …
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swirlie · F
@Handfull1
Okay, I understand what you're saying, but what you are actually referring to is the perception you once had about the USA and how things appeared to be going from your perspective.
Keep in mind that the USA was a poor, almost decrepit place during the 1930's and when the USA began selling a false sense of greatness to the American people by using borrowed money to build America into what it became during the 1950's and 1960's, it led the average American to believe that the USA can achieve it all by default because of it's apparent greatness!
What nobody ever told Joe American however, was that it was all created with borrowed money from the bank, not money that the USA had in it's savings account.
What followed that misleading self-awareness of country, was America's failure to pay-back the loans it acquired for itself to buy all that sh*t which to this very day, America has never repaid to it's creditors!
This is the reason why the USA is now $35Trillion in national debt and why the American infrastructure is crumbling around itself because there is no money to replace it AND no credit available to borrow even more money to service the national debt's monthly interest payment.
Like I said, America has never been a great place, but the appearance that it was a great place is still stuck in every American's mind who is old enough to remember what it was like at the circus when everything appeared to be free.
That appearance came with a price and that price was fake greatness.
Okay, I understand what you're saying, but what you are actually referring to is the perception you once had about the USA and how things appeared to be going from your perspective.
Keep in mind that the USA was a poor, almost decrepit place during the 1930's and when the USA began selling a false sense of greatness to the American people by using borrowed money to build America into what it became during the 1950's and 1960's, it led the average American to believe that the USA can achieve it all by default because of it's apparent greatness!
What nobody ever told Joe American however, was that it was all created with borrowed money from the bank, not money that the USA had in it's savings account.
What followed that misleading self-awareness of country, was America's failure to pay-back the loans it acquired for itself to buy all that sh*t which to this very day, America has never repaid to it's creditors!
This is the reason why the USA is now $35Trillion in national debt and why the American infrastructure is crumbling around itself because there is no money to replace it AND no credit available to borrow even more money to service the national debt's monthly interest payment.
Like I said, America has never been a great place, but the appearance that it was a great place is still stuck in every American's mind who is old enough to remember what it was like at the circus when everything appeared to be free.
That appearance came with a price and that price was fake greatness.
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