Some of y'all are getting really upset at the idea of Schools and Teachers not narking on kids who change their pronouns or identify as trans.
I think you're wrong to be upset.
I think at this time it's for a child's safety that their choice of pronouns or expressed gender identity not be relayed to the parents. Why? Because if the child [i]wanted [/i] their parents to know then they would tell them. The child might not feel comfortable telling their parent just because it's awkward but it could also be a much more substantial fear of repercussions, punishment or even harm.
You have only to see how some people in this debate advocate hate and even execution to understand why it is worrying to out a trans child to certain kinds of parent.
@Pikachu [quote]I know you can use words instead of pictures.[/quote] Yes, but it confuses his poor demented brain to do so. [quote]Please try to respond meaningfully to the issue under discussion.[/quote] He is doing his best. The Donepezil is not helping his condition.
@sunsporter1649 [quote]And that from a left-wing nut-job marxist that supports not getting a tattoo until one is 18, but supports choppoffadictomy's at 12[/quote] Prove it.
Agreed. That's why i pointed out in the OP that if kids wanted their parents to know then they would tell them. And there could be harmless reasons why they don't want to share or there could be serious reasons they don't want to share.
I was going to write a somewhat lengthily post about how the conservatards understand this, they just don't care. They like abusing children any way they can. But then I scrolled down and saw that Sunsporter already reminded everyone of this. So kudos to him.
Let's say a child comes into school with bruises and says "My dad did this to me, please don't tell them i told you or he'll hurt me worse". Should the teacher keep that from the parent?
Ok so then you agree that if there is a risk of harm by the parent to the child then the teacher should not put that child at risk by telling the parents.
That's all i'm arguing here. So in fact you do agree with me. You just don't want to extend that protection to children identifying as trans.
Yea parents can be abusive, if those people say some of the stuff to their children that they do on here, that is mentally and emotionally abusive, I could see hiding it from parents due to their own safety.
Same. I've seen people say stuff on here that absolutely justifies a rule that makes sure children are the ones whose choice it is to disclose this kind of information.
@Pikachu Yeah to be honest, some of the stuff I've heard them say makes me honestly scared for their kids because they sound so hostile and aggressive. Makes me wonder if they've done hate crimes in the past to someone and the like. That's why I look around and so long as we have people like on here, I feel like children should have rights. I think they should have rights regardless because parents don't always know better when the parents are irresponsible themselves.
Hell, I just watched a 30 minute videos of kids vs. Karens... not about trans kids at all but I know if there's people who are as irresponsible and narrow minded as these adult Karens are.. I know for sure that some kids be facing abuse like that and who knows what else.
So why shouldn't kids have rights?
The people who say the parent "always" knows what's best are fvcked in the head to begin with I'm sure.
Between the people who seem to think of children as property and those who actively wish violence on trans people i think the need for discretion in these cases speaks for itself.
Here we have boards of education with term limits that follow State laws. Want to change your pronoun do it legally before the courts and pay the reasonable administrative fees to the district
@MarineBob [quote]Here we have boards of education with term limits that follow State laws. Want to change your pronoun do it legally before the courts and pay the reasonable administrative fees to the district[/quote]
The reason I can't take shit like this seriously is because of the double standards. If someone asks you to call them by a different name, whether it's a stagename, a nickname, whatever, you just do it. You don't tell them they need to legally change their name before the courts. It's only when trans people are concerned that the standards are cartoonishly high. And it's like this with everything related to trans people. If a girl wants a boob job, fine, it's her life. But if a guy wants a boob job because he's transitioning, then all of a sudden it's a big political issue. If a grown man is in a public bathroom with little boys, meh. But if it's a trans woman with little girls, then suddenly you care. People getting raped in jail? Welp, they shouldn't have broken the law. Women getting raped in jail by trans women, then suddenly you care.
I don't think the teacher should be involved so whatever you look like is what you are to the teacher. That's my opinion. He or she is probably too busy anyway.
They don't give a fuck about child safety. What they care about is everybody fitting into their assigned gender box, marking all the stereotypes, and never ever straying from the rigid traditional roles they've been assigned against their will.
I think they do care about child safety, they jut consider fitting into their assigned gender box and rigidly adhering to traditional gender roles to be in the best interest of children no mater how much that is contradicted by the real world.
I take the position that most people are trying to do what they think is right even if they happen to be mistaken or driven by ideology rather than fact.
