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trollslayer · 46-50, M
There are really three options here. 1) Trump and his administration are simply bumbling idiots who had no idea what they were doing and lost/misplaced stuff. 2) Trump and his administration are criminals. 3) This is al fabricated stuff from the FBI/DOJ (planted evidence).
#1 is a real possibility. But that should not excuses crimes that were committed.
#3 really makes no logical sense, just like most conspiracies. The FBI, DOJ, and Trump's lawyers aren't acting that way. And logic says if you were going to plant evidence, you would go about it in an entirely different way. And they are not idiots - they know that the best way to keep Trump's influence low is to not give him fuel to talk about.
#2 Seems most likely to me. Trump may be a clueless idiot not knowing what is going on, but SOMEONE in the WH knew that unauthorized material was being taken. I am guessing it was a family member (probably Jared Kushner or Ivanka) who blew the whistle here. My hope is the classified material was only taken to protect Trump's image, and not to use/sell in any way with foreign actors.
#1 is a real possibility. But that should not excuses crimes that were committed.
#3 really makes no logical sense, just like most conspiracies. The FBI, DOJ, and Trump's lawyers aren't acting that way. And logic says if you were going to plant evidence, you would go about it in an entirely different way. And they are not idiots - they know that the best way to keep Trump's influence low is to not give him fuel to talk about.
#2 Seems most likely to me. Trump may be a clueless idiot not knowing what is going on, but SOMEONE in the WH knew that unauthorized material was being taken. I am guessing it was a family member (probably Jared Kushner or Ivanka) who blew the whistle here. My hope is the classified material was only taken to protect Trump's image, and not to use/sell in any way with foreign actors.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, FVIP
@MarmeeMarch So you're saying that she wouldn't know her own house? I mean she had to have seen them at some point.
Yeah because friends never cover up for each other.
But the dress was an old dress made that spring for her and when she was supervising the painting of their house she got paint on it and ruined it. Her friend that was watching her burn the dress said that she did not see blood stains on the dress.
Yeah because friends never cover up for each other.
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Driver2 · M
The proof and agents names behind the Russia setup is in those files . They broke in to save their own asses not protect the country.
The FBI has been overfunded and corrupt since it’s beginning.
It needs to be completely non political.
If that means the top management must be fired than it must be .
Translated into woke terms in must be ‘re-imagined’ 🙃
The FBI has been overfunded and corrupt since it’s beginning.
It needs to be completely non political.
If that means the top management must be fired than it must be .
Translated into woke terms in must be ‘re-imagined’ 🙃
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@Driver2 Trump and his golden showers in Moscow!! Lol 😂
TexChik · F
Or Trump declassified all the docs he kept . He didn’t hide that he had them and the government could have simply asked for their return. Instead we get this dog and pony show, 6 years and still going. 🙄
Vin53 · M
Vin53 · M
The folders were empty because Trump gave the contents to the Saudis.
Vin53 · M
The Lying Liar's List of Lies
1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong
15. Documents are protected by Client-attorney Privilege
16. Documents are protected by Executive Privilege
17. Not only were the FBI wrong in taking them - they better give them back
18. The sensitivity of the documents has expired.
19. Like President Nixon said, "if the president does it, then it is not illegal."
20. I don't believe in the classification system
21. It was an assassination plot
22. Charging Trump would cause so much mayhem it would be a monstrous mistake
23. Every President takes classified documents with them when they leave
24. Mark Meadows planted the documents.
25. I couldn't trust National Archives with the documents because they're controlled by Biden and Obama
26. Only a limited number of Mar-a-Lago staff had access to the documents
27. The documents were for a personal memoir.
28. If it was so serious, why did the FBI take so long to search Mar-a-Lago?
29. Not serious because affidavit for warrant didn't mention nuclear secrets.
30. Nothing illegal was happening, it was only about documents.
31. Trump is not stupid enough to have committed such a crime.
32. Liz Cheney went back in time after losing the primary to order the FBI to raid Trump.
33. DoJ was actually looking for Hillary's E-mails.
34. NARA could have simply kept asking for the documents to be returned.
35. The crime of espionage is really quite mundane.
36. It was the FBI who took the documents out of the cartons, dropped them and spread them on carpet.
37. I couldn't trust the Pentagon to store and dispose of these documents so I HAD to keep them.
38. Keeping government documents at Mar-a-Lago is like having overdue library books.
39. The classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were en route to his Presidential Library.
1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago
2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago
3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted
4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified
5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives
6. The boxes were planted by the FBI
7. Obama had more boxes
8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place
9. The documents were already returned.
10. They were my documents
11. There was a standing order that any documents I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified
12. Mishandled and rushed move by GSA
13. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping
14. Laws against espionage are wrong
15. Documents are protected by Client-attorney Privilege
16. Documents are protected by Executive Privilege
17. Not only were the FBI wrong in taking them - they better give them back
18. The sensitivity of the documents has expired.
19. Like President Nixon said, "if the president does it, then it is not illegal."
20. I don't believe in the classification system
21. It was an assassination plot
22. Charging Trump would cause so much mayhem it would be a monstrous mistake
23. Every President takes classified documents with them when they leave
24. Mark Meadows planted the documents.
25. I couldn't trust National Archives with the documents because they're controlled by Biden and Obama
26. Only a limited number of Mar-a-Lago staff had access to the documents
27. The documents were for a personal memoir.
28. If it was so serious, why did the FBI take so long to search Mar-a-Lago?
29. Not serious because affidavit for warrant didn't mention nuclear secrets.
30. Nothing illegal was happening, it was only about documents.
31. Trump is not stupid enough to have committed such a crime.
32. Liz Cheney went back in time after losing the primary to order the FBI to raid Trump.
33. DoJ was actually looking for Hillary's E-mails.
34. NARA could have simply kept asking for the documents to be returned.
35. The crime of espionage is really quite mundane.
36. It was the FBI who took the documents out of the cartons, dropped them and spread them on carpet.
37. I couldn't trust the Pentagon to store and dispose of these documents so I HAD to keep them.
38. Keeping government documents at Mar-a-Lago is like having overdue library books.
39. The classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were en route to his Presidential Library.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
redredred · M
The big question for me about this is Trump had four years to take anything he wanted, dump it onto a thumb drive and put it in his pocket. There was never any need to take paper. Did he really take any paper?
SomeMichGuy · M
@anythingoes477 Thank you.
redredred · M
@anythingoes477 If you worked for the Nazis Stealing Information, nothing you have to say is worth anything. And, by the way, the best part of you dribbled down your mommas legs while she was turning tricks in that back alley she favored
anythingoes477 · M
@redredred The easiest way to know EXACTLY how a person votes is to wait for them to speak. You sound just exactly like the typical redneck, low intellect, house trailer trash that votes for and loves our number 1 news maker..........the fascist traitor to America. The sum total of what you have to say is based on whatever someone else on a radical rightwing site told you to say....and who to hate. When faced with facts your knee jerk reaction is to word puke insults.....instead of learn. Everyone here has your number.........and buddy.........it's zero.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
Perhaps there was never anything in them?
Or, the FBI placed them there to set him up and agitate Trump haters.
I don't think the investigation is going as smoothly as the FBI would like.
If they raided their son's bedroom (Barron) why don't they raid the home of Hunter Biden and release the contents of his laptop?
Or the contents of Epstein's little black book? Or the videos that were secretly taken of his guests?
Or investigate the death of Seth Rich, and the D.C. police that allowed the evidence in the case to 'just disappear' from the evidence room?
Or the 50 premature deaths associated with Bill and Hillary?
The FBI can't be trusted anymore.
Or, the FBI placed them there to set him up and agitate Trump haters.
I don't think the investigation is going as smoothly as the FBI would like.
If they raided their son's bedroom (Barron) why don't they raid the home of Hunter Biden and release the contents of his laptop?
Or the contents of Epstein's little black book? Or the videos that were secretly taken of his guests?
Or investigate the death of Seth Rich, and the D.C. police that allowed the evidence in the case to 'just disappear' from the evidence room?
Or the 50 premature deaths associated with Bill and Hillary?
The FBI can't be trusted anymore.
Vin53 · M
If the FBI planted the documents why is trump asking for them back?
Cowboys suck btw.
@DallasCowboysFan
Cowboys suck btw.
@DallasCowboysFan
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
anythingoes477 · M
@LordShadowfire "Stole" it, huh? I don't remind replacing it. ;-)
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helenS · 36-40, F
He used the contents to make paper airplanes, and let them fly over the White House's gardens... 😏
Coffeequilt · 51-55, F
Ummm, isnt the President the ultimate classification boss?
Coffeequilt · 51-55, F
@SomeMichGuy Wow, this really confusing you.
Read slowly....When he WAS President, he declassified those documents.
Read slowly....When he WAS President, he declassified those documents.
SomeMichGuy · M
@Coffeequilt
Yeah, you go with that. More of your cluelessly smug armchair musings...
(Hint: Are declassified documents kept in folders marked "classified", "Top Secret", and with even higher, specialized levels of classification beyond those?)
Yeah, you go with that. More of your cluelessly smug armchair musings...
(Hint: Are declassified documents kept in folders marked "classified", "Top Secret", and with even higher, specialized levels of classification beyond those?)
Coffeequilt · 51-55, F
@SomeMichGuy Do you play sports?
ElwoodBlues · M
@Coffeequilt asks
Ummm, isnt the President the ultimate classification boss?
If you look at the FBI search warrant, they were pursuing violations of the Presidential Records Act and the Espionage Act. Classification vs declassification is irrelevant to those two laws. Those laws can just as easily be violated with non-classified material.
Bklynbadboy12 · 31-35, M
@ElwoodBlues but the not non clasified their classified all of our politicians are crooks it is what it is sorry
ElwoodBlues · M
@Bklynbadboy12 If that's a "both sides" argument, then I'm sorry but it just won't fly.
They’re being kept hidden along with Hunter’s laptop.
SomeMichGuy · M
Exactly.
And how many other classified folders are in rooms not searchable or cached at other Trump properties?
And how many other classified folders are in rooms not searchable or cached at other Trump properties?
anythingoes477 · M
@SomeMichGuy Or already sold or traded for favors in 2024?
SomeMichGuy · M
@anythingoes477 A fine & cogent point!
redredred · M
It looks like poor little Anythingoes477 had to block me. He can dish out insults but doesn’t seem he can take them.
Freeranger · M
You seat everyone in a circle. You whisper a word to the person next to you who then, whispers in to the ear of the person next to them, until......the word returns to the original person issuing the word. It always comes back different from when it let their lips.
The wheel continues to go round and round, where it stops, nobody knows......The truth? Hah, pick yer fekkin' poison.
The wheel continues to go round and round, where it stops, nobody knows......The truth? Hah, pick yer fekkin' poison.
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Nothing burgher another Hoax
Driver2 · M
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 LOL. Nice try.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Driver2 · M
@trollslayer ask China , they have everything that was in Hillary’s server
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ron122 · 41-45, M
OMG!!!!!!!🤣
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
The empty folder marked "top secret" or whatever. Where are the contents? Were they sold or given in return for favors? Did people died because of the contents going to Russia or elsewhere?
Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M
🤔............Trump Scanned the contents of the folders and now the documents reside of Hillary's Home servers for future reference.........
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
That’s the real question. Where did Orange put the really important stuff .
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@AthrillatheHunt Right beside where the hildabeest put her stuff
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@sunsporter1649 I wouldn’t be surprised. Lol
Grateful4you · M
Probably buried with Ivana. He had her buried at one of his golf courses to make the property tax free JEBUS!
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@Grateful4you anything for a quick buck
Budwick · 70-79, M
What happed to the contents of those folders?
The contents were taken when the FBI was there the first time - without the raid.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Budwick That makes no sense. Why not take the folders?
Budwick · 70-79, M
@trollslayer
Good question.
And, why not simply return and say, 'we would like another look in that room you had us lock up the last time we were here.
Why not take the folders?
Good question.
And, why not simply return and say, 'we would like another look in that room you had us lock up the last time we were here.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Ask the Saudi and ask Putin what was in that messsge in a bottle that washed up on shore in Russia.
Bklynbadboy12 · 31-35, M
He gave them to the Russians he loves them
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
So you have access to the files and folders?
Spotpot · 41-45, M
Either Trump is a croock or a idiot i bet he is both.
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ExperienceDLT · M
Flushed down a toilet
Stillwaiting · M
🤦♂️.. OFFS
Vin53 · M
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
They're real evil geniuses if they emptied the contents, but left the folder itself for all to see. Am I the only one who thinks that doesn't make any frickin' sense whatsoever?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@uncalled4 I'm leaning more toward Trump being criminally disorganized, to be honest.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@uncalled4 Since when have the left-wing nut-job marxists ever been accused of making sense?
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Donald Trump is allowed to do what he wants.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I think we all know what happened. Trump sold us out.
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Exactly.
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SomeMichGuy · M
@swirlie lol "Let's see what the centerfold is for...hmmm...what's this? 'Primer for locating submarine assets running silent and deep' by...the NSA & Military Intelligence...hmmm...might be useful...now for Miss May!"