Does this syllogism make sense to you?
1. Trump's followers prefer Trump
2. America's enemies prefer Trump
3. Trumpists are enemies of America
2. America's enemies prefer Trump
3. Trumpists are enemies of America
22-25, F
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
It does look odd!
Being 3000 miles from the nearest point I can see the USA's febrile internal politics without being part of it.
No, many of the Americans who support Donald Trump genuinely think themselves deeply patriotic lovers of their nation, not its enemies; and sincerely believed his "Make America Great Again" slogan and promises to try to restore lost industries.
What sort of USA they want though, is another matter!
The snarling insult-trading rather than reasoned discourse on places like this suggests to me that there are Americans of both sides who would only be happy with a one-party state - of their party.
Where this places those who romanticise the Civil War era Confederacy, I don't know, but they are probably a tiny minority. Even so, a PM correspondent on here told me from land-locked, State-locked Utah of separatists dreaming of States governed by the party they support, breaking away from the USA. That would presumably create a one-party nation broken into enclaves randomly scattered between those of the other, or still of both, parties. If his claim is correct, it is hard to see how it could possibly work, but I doubt such people have thought about that.*
The foreign politicians who supporter Trump but hate the USA have their own political reasons, but some of those rulers, like Putin and Bolsanaro, seem to see in him reflections of their own personalities.
A lot of countries just despise the USA - and "Western" nations generally they sometimes see as White House puppets - irrespective of the party or president of the time. Some of those rely on continuity of governance safe from the vagaries of differing parties chosen by their citizens only every few years, and the person of any particular President or Prime Minister in our countries is not so important to their long-term strategies.
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*(I lay a similar charge here in England against the Welsh and Scots nationalists, of not thinking through what becoming independent states as they wish would mean in practice, irrespective of party-political wrangling.)
Being 3000 miles from the nearest point I can see the USA's febrile internal politics without being part of it.
No, many of the Americans who support Donald Trump genuinely think themselves deeply patriotic lovers of their nation, not its enemies; and sincerely believed his "Make America Great Again" slogan and promises to try to restore lost industries.
What sort of USA they want though, is another matter!
The snarling insult-trading rather than reasoned discourse on places like this suggests to me that there are Americans of both sides who would only be happy with a one-party state - of their party.
Where this places those who romanticise the Civil War era Confederacy, I don't know, but they are probably a tiny minority. Even so, a PM correspondent on here told me from land-locked, State-locked Utah of separatists dreaming of States governed by the party they support, breaking away from the USA. That would presumably create a one-party nation broken into enclaves randomly scattered between those of the other, or still of both, parties. If his claim is correct, it is hard to see how it could possibly work, but I doubt such people have thought about that.*
The foreign politicians who supporter Trump but hate the USA have their own political reasons, but some of those rulers, like Putin and Bolsanaro, seem to see in him reflections of their own personalities.
A lot of countries just despise the USA - and "Western" nations generally they sometimes see as White House puppets - irrespective of the party or president of the time. Some of those rely on continuity of governance safe from the vagaries of differing parties chosen by their citizens only every few years, and the person of any particular President or Prime Minister in our countries is not so important to their long-term strategies.
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*(I lay a similar charge here in England against the Welsh and Scots nationalists, of not thinking through what becoming independent states as they wish would mean in practice, irrespective of party-political wrangling.)
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Well Yes.. If you hold that the enemy of my enemy is always my friend.. I dislike Trumpism for what it is.. But most of its followers are just Americans through and through who will follow whoever carries the biggest flag and sings The Star Mangled Spanner the loudest. Its only a few who are like Stalin, playing both ends off against the middle for profit.😷
MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@whowasthatmaskedman I see it slightly different. The Republican party isn't an enemy. Only Trump and his followers are.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@MissPerfect Then we agree completely. What we now need to see is who is steering the bus..😷
atlantic59 · 61-69, M
can someone explain the word syllogism to me. I knocked over a glass of wine trying to go for the dictionary and then I had to try and clean the carpet, and the dictionary just says: a form of deductive reasoning consisting of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion....' can I get a better clarification please. I'll wait for an answer while I sip new wine and try more carpet cleaning
MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@atlantic59 An example would serve you better.
1. All apes are animals
2. All humans are apes
3. Humans are animals
1. All apes are animals
2. All humans are apes
3. Humans are animals
atlantic59 · 61-69, M
@MissPerfect Ok, thanks. I'm getting it now. kinda..btw, I like your dictionary way better than mine. Have you ever thought of writing your own dictionary? I would buy it.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
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MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@ChipmunkErnie We can politely disagree on that. Trumpists could be deluded in thinking they're patriots. That would explain their rationale for an attempted coup.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@MissPerfect But not all Trumpers were for the insurrection -- if they were, there would have been millions attacking, not hundreds. Luckily not everyone who voted for Trump or believes his BS is TOTALLY extreme and whacko.
MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@ChipmunkErnie I think the defining characteristic for Trumpists would be the vote cast.
MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@canusernamebemyusername People not deeply in love with Trump are somehow wrong. 🤭
@MissPerfect They is what the tik(ed off) tokers are saying.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Foreverconfused · 56-60, F
atlantic59 · 61-69, M
Yeah but I just love the word syllogism
LordShadowfire · M
MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@LordShadowfire Me too. They're serving the best interests of foreign enemies. The western powers want to be forever rid of Trump.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@MissPerfect [quote]Me too. They're serving the best interests of foreign enemies. The western powers want to be forever rid of Trump.[/quote]
A life sentence in a super max prison would do that. There's also the discussion going on about a more permanent and immediate solution.
A life sentence in a super max prison would do that. There's also the discussion going on about a more permanent and immediate solution.
MissPerfect · 22-25, F
@Diotrephes I'd settle for a conviction under the espionage act.