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Philth · 46-50, M
The people who kept crying "pRoJeCt FeAr!!!!!" in their poorly informed political rants are now really angry that exactly as they were warned, there's queues at airports, roaming charges for their mobile phones when abroad, transactions with overseas sellers via the likes of Ebay is much more diffcult, time consuming and costly, and so on. Many small companies who previously were big exporters have either folded, or significantly reduced their trade, directly quoting the cost and delay of Brexit red tape.
But there's more. The people who voted for this shitshow haven't joined the dots up. Other challenges we face *could* be partly attributable to Covid and other factors, but the ones I mention above are exclusively related to Brexit. They don't care that for the UK, the Erasmus overseas placement program is finished (I guess that in their eyes, that was just for posh people) and aren't concerned that the UK now faces the massive duplication of cost in having to introduce its own regulatory bodies to replace the ones we left behind in Europe, such as that which governs atomic installations. The tragedy of our own quality assurance scheme which is recognised by *no other country* speaks volumes for the loss of plot.
The fact that the promises for extra NHS money have come to nought is pretty much forgotten, and the continual lying and corruption from the politicians who dreamt up this demolition derby is accepted, because "it got Brexit done". In terms of the bonfire of legislation mentioned by Burley123, it *is* happening (Google raw sewage into rivers, for example) but again, the people who voted for this don't care: They've already been conditioned to reject any concerns from, as they say, "the gobby greens/tree huggers".
By the collective of committee style decision making, the course of our nation is being set at full speed towards the rocks of shipwreck, because too many people on board who know nothing about navigation think that the beam of the lighthouse represents safety. And that's what we voted for.
But there's more. The people who voted for this shitshow haven't joined the dots up. Other challenges we face *could* be partly attributable to Covid and other factors, but the ones I mention above are exclusively related to Brexit. They don't care that for the UK, the Erasmus overseas placement program is finished (I guess that in their eyes, that was just for posh people) and aren't concerned that the UK now faces the massive duplication of cost in having to introduce its own regulatory bodies to replace the ones we left behind in Europe, such as that which governs atomic installations. The tragedy of our own quality assurance scheme which is recognised by *no other country* speaks volumes for the loss of plot.
The fact that the promises for extra NHS money have come to nought is pretty much forgotten, and the continual lying and corruption from the politicians who dreamt up this demolition derby is accepted, because "it got Brexit done". In terms of the bonfire of legislation mentioned by Burley123, it *is* happening (Google raw sewage into rivers, for example) but again, the people who voted for this don't care: They've already been conditioned to reject any concerns from, as they say, "the gobby greens/tree huggers".
By the collective of committee style decision making, the course of our nation is being set at full speed towards the rocks of shipwreck, because too many people on board who know nothing about navigation think that the beam of the lighthouse represents safety. And that's what we voted for.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
The sky hasn't fallen in but it's not great.
Brexit has disrupted supply lines and is responsible for some of our inflation. The impacts are more gradual and long term
As trade with the EU is harder, there was is a gradual drip of companies leaving or seeking business elsewhere. It's too early to assess all the long-term implications, especially because of COVID, though it's not a rosy picture.
The Northern Ireland situation is also a mess because the protocol (a customs border between Northern Ireland and rUk) can't be removed without renegotiated the whole Brexit deal. The issues around this have enhanced the tensions in that region.
There are also no tangible benefits.
I was worried about a hard libertarian Brexit and a bonfire of workers rights. That hasn't happened but the country is getting slowly poorer.
Brexit has disrupted supply lines and is responsible for some of our inflation. The impacts are more gradual and long term
As trade with the EU is harder, there was is a gradual drip of companies leaving or seeking business elsewhere. It's too early to assess all the long-term implications, especially because of COVID, though it's not a rosy picture.
The Northern Ireland situation is also a mess because the protocol (a customs border between Northern Ireland and rUk) can't be removed without renegotiated the whole Brexit deal. The issues around this have enhanced the tensions in that region.
There are also no tangible benefits.
I was worried about a hard libertarian Brexit and a bonfire of workers rights. That hasn't happened but the country is getting slowly poorer.
@Burnley123 I was wondering how things were going with Ireland. So sort of how people predicted it would go.
Overall, did the promises/lies made by the leave campaign pan out?
Overall, did the promises/lies made by the leave campaign pan out?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Pikachu COVID has provided plausible deniability. Economic experts estimate that we are poorer because of Brexit. But few people listen to economic wonks anyway (though they should).
Besides, it's a bit like tying to assess the damage from a prior concussion after you've just been eaten by a shark. Tbh, a lot if remainders did predict hyperbolically bad consequences for Brexit that were never likely to happen so it's a complex picture. In short, nobody has changed their minds and it is too early to tell.
In a decade, it will be a clearer picture but there are always ways of switching blame to (for example) govt overspending or immigration. Some will say that the problem is that Brexit did not got far enough.
As for Ireland. A united Ireland looks inevitable because of the demographics anyway. Brexit has made that even more likely but also even less harmonious.
If you are interested in further reading:
Finton O'Toole is excellent on the Irish situation. Simon Wren Lewis is good at wonkish economic analysis.
Besides, it's a bit like tying to assess the damage from a prior concussion after you've just been eaten by a shark. Tbh, a lot if remainders did predict hyperbolically bad consequences for Brexit that were never likely to happen so it's a complex picture. In short, nobody has changed their minds and it is too early to tell.
In a decade, it will be a clearer picture but there are always ways of switching blame to (for example) govt overspending or immigration. Some will say that the problem is that Brexit did not got far enough.
As for Ireland. A united Ireland looks inevitable because of the demographics anyway. Brexit has made that even more likely but also even less harmonious.
If you are interested in further reading:
Finton O'Toole is excellent on the Irish situation. Simon Wren Lewis is good at wonkish economic analysis.
Lacemaker · 41-45, F
NHS money?
The day after the result came through, Nigel Farage denied all knowledge of the money they'd pledged to the NHS on morning TV! That's how good it got.
The day after the result came through, Nigel Farage denied all knowledge of the money they'd pledged to the NHS on morning TV! That's how good it got.
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Lacemaker · 41-45, F
@HarrietteSpeedy
Yeah, he wants to be the 'conquering hero' 🙄
Yeah, he wants to be the 'conquering hero' 🙄
Entwistle · 56-60, M
It's proving to be a bigger disaster than remain voters said it would be.
No surprise really.
If it had been in anyway a success it would have been all over the news.
Its costing the country more than a million pounds an hour in lost business.
An international disaster group has had to intervene in the lorry tailbacks at Dover.
No surprise really.
If it had been in anyway a success it would have been all over the news.
Its costing the country more than a million pounds an hour in lost business.
An international disaster group has had to intervene in the lorry tailbacks at Dover.
NortiusMaximus · M
No, things as actually worse. I thought I'd anticipated all the problems Brexit was going to cause but it seems I underestimated them.
NortiusMaximus · M
@Philth "They need us more than we need them."
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Philth Oven ready is great, just so long as you aren't the chicken.
HarrietteSpeedy · 61-69, F
A total disaster, as expected. Terrible for Northern Ireland, job losses in Scotland, much more bureaucracy for trade and so on. The little Englanders are happy as they dream of the good old days that never were.
NortiusMaximus · M
@HarrietteSpeedy England is quite capable of creating its own disasters, it doesn't need any help from Scotland.
@HarrietteSpeedy
Yeah how is the Ireland thing going, anyway? I understood that there were going to be some significant problems with moving things across the border since half of Ireland is no longer part of the EU.
Yeah how is the Ireland thing going, anyway? I understood that there were going to be some significant problems with moving things across the border since half of Ireland is no longer part of the EU.
NortiusMaximus · M
@Pikachu In a lot of ways, NI is still in the EU.
BTW, The six counties of NI do not comprise half the island of Ireland, they don't even comprise all the province of Ulster. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are in the Republic of Ireland and NI (ca 14 000km^2) comprises less than two thirds of the land area of Ulster (ca 22 000km^2).
BTW, The six counties of NI do not comprise half the island of Ireland, they don't even comprise all the province of Ulster. Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan are in the Republic of Ireland and NI (ca 14 000km^2) comprises less than two thirds of the land area of Ulster (ca 22 000km^2).
MartinII · 70-79, M
I think the response from @Burnley123 is a fair summary of the immediate consequences, except that one tangible benefit was the much earlier roll-out of covid vaccines than in the EU. I would add that some of the negatives that are attributed to Brexit are not really the fault of Brexit as such, but of gratuitously hostile behaviour by the EU and some individual member states; and that the UK’s international influence has not diminished, rather the reverse.
However, the main point is that we are now free to make our own decisions, unencumbered by instructions or restrictions from Brussels. I don’t think the government has made a very good job of it so far, and I doubt if a Labour government would do much better. But it’s up to us, and our governments, to make the best of the opportunities - or not, as the case may be.
However, the main point is that we are now free to make our own decisions, unencumbered by instructions or restrictions from Brussels. I don’t think the government has made a very good job of it so far, and I doubt if a Labour government would do much better. But it’s up to us, and our governments, to make the best of the opportunities - or not, as the case may be.
@MartinII
I don't see how those should be considered mutually exclusive. I both want to hear how people in the UK feel Brexit has gone and have my own opinions on the matter.
I'm sorry you feel betrayed that i have an opinion...
I think the leave campaign used a lot of demonstrable lies and misleading rhetoric to convince people to side with them and i don't think your freedom to share your position is in any way lessoned by me stating my own position.
A shame that you make a post which sounds like an even-handed request for opinions, and then prove to be a partisan yourself.
I don't see how those should be considered mutually exclusive. I both want to hear how people in the UK feel Brexit has gone and have my own opinions on the matter.
I'm sorry you feel betrayed that i have an opinion...
I think the leave campaign used a lot of demonstrable lies and misleading rhetoric to convince people to side with them and i don't think your freedom to share your position is in any way lessoned by me stating my own position.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
With the Pandemic and now Ukraine in the mix I think the answer to that is unknowable.. Clearly the situation sucks. But more or less, who knows?😷
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@whowasthatmaskedman Amidst all the shouting about how bad it is, thank you for being the only poster on here to give a reasoned response.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
I was going to join the argument but it would be like walking into a lion's den to extoll the virtues of vegetarianism.
SW-User
I saw a great quote as to how Brexiteers are seeing things at the moment:
"They force you off a cliff, and then inquire politely why you didn't pack a parachute". Says it all really.
"They force you off a cliff, and then inquire politely why you didn't pack a parachute". Says it all really.
SW-User
@Pikachu I think if you saw his face a few hours after the result you would know that he did not expect it. Even Farage did not expect it. It's also telling that Boris spent the next couple of years keeping a very low profile...
@SW-User
Given how the brexiteers scrambled to come up with a legitimate plan after they won, i'd say you're right.
Given how the brexiteers scrambled to come up with a legitimate plan after they won, i'd say you're right.
SW-User
@Pikachu Sadly yes. The trouble is most people didn't want to hear that it was going to be a shitshow. Still, Boris will be on his way out, the Conservatives will probably be on their way out, and I can see the UK negotiating some sort of entry into the single market again (though not the EU itself)
itsoeasy · 56-60, M
its great, we've got more people employed then ever before, due to their being loads more jobs since millions of poles left, covid has takena huge toll on our socialsied health care system, that will take awhile to get back to normal, but ive hearidn the grea told usa theyhave over one million dead from covid, so we didnt do so bad,
SomeMichGuy · M
Excellent question!
I've been wondering, as well.
I've been wondering, as well.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
When is Usexit happening? When is Russia buying back Alaska?
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@zonavar68 today-. The USA is hosting a summit, but excluding the countries it disagrees with. Others boycotted because of the exclusions by the USA-. So they're pretty much exiting the western hemisphere.
Justenjoyit · 61-69, M
I was not allowed to vote because of living in the EU for over 15 years, looking inwards and my opinion only probably the worst outcome was to leave, I know for a fact a lot of the people I know dont buy things from the UK anymore because if being afraid of paying import taxes, lucky for me I took up dual nationality so I am not really affected by boarder crossings, hopefully the UK will join EU system like Switzerland and at least things can go back to normal.
SW-User
@Justenjoyit It will happen eventually. The UK will never re-enter the union (we'd have to adopt the Euro, for one), but we will adopt some form of the single market again. People will have to accept it.
Nimbus · M
Spiffing!