Trans women in sports, are we ok with that? It seems like trans women are dominating whatever women's sport they enter.

First of all, I'd like to take a moment to point out that there's evidence that trans dudes also have an advantage against cis men, so it's a bit strange to narrow the discussion down to women's sports in particular. That's not to malign your intentions or anything, I just feel like that's important to point out.

Frankly, I think the question of 'fairness' is basically meaningless to whether trans women should be allowed in women's sports. I mean, a guy who's 4'8" doesn't have a fair chance of becoming a professional swimmer. A chick who was born with smaller lungs doesn't have a fair chance of excelling at soccer. People have natural advantages all the time; the real reason why we even divide men's and women's sports centers around entertainment value. Observing genetic outliers train and compete against each other is fun in itself and if we only had one unified sports league, we'd in effect be eliminating half the genetic freaks.

This essentially means that I don't have a stake in this game because I'm not a sports fan, but I do think allowing trans ppl in sports where they dominate would hurt entertainment value. This is because the natural advantage that trans people may have would reduce the extent to which they'd need to be genetic oddities in other areas, which subverts part of the entertainment value mentioned earlier.

What's basically important to me (insofar as this issue is important at all) is that trans people in sports are handled on somewhat of a discretionary basis with an eye for science. Trans people definitely have an advantage in some sports, but not necessarily all. In fact, I've seen it speculated that transgender women have a disadvantage in maneuverability, since they have the big, lumbering frame of a man, but less muscle to actually support it. You mentioned male puberty, and I think it's important to keep puberty blockers in mind, which would almost certainly play a role in determining if a trans person has an advantage.

good question g

Not fair nor logical

The problem is using the blanket terms "sports" and "competition." It's also in tacitly implying that men are competing against women; this is not true.

Competition and sports range from martial arts, basketball, swimming and rugby to chess, equestrian events and sailing. While strength or certain physical attributes influence success in many categories, others aren't that clear. And where do we stop? Swimmer Michael Phelps proportionately has abnormally short legs and long torso as well as a whopping 80" wingspan, a body type that helps him slice through water. Is that fair? What about a Judo competition, in which a much smaller opponent might easily outmaneuver an opponent.

Is there a place for discussion on this topic? Of course. But discussion is needed, not edicts, not deflections, not strawmen and certainly not political anything over this issue. MGT might watch out addressing this lest someone out her as a man in women's clothes.

I'm fine with it. Trans women have competed in sports before and lost numerous times. Every time they win first, some anti trans cisgender blames it on the fact that the person who beat them was trans and then it becomes over blown.

I'd have to find it but there was some trans athlete who won world trophy.. don't remember what is was called but she said she lost to her competitor about eight times and then finally won

This competitor then went on to complain that it was because the winner was trans is why she won and not because of talent.

I'll call it for what it is, a bunch of snot nosed females who don't want to actually compete, they want to win every time and want to blame trans women for them losing, since trans women don't win all the time.

I feel like this could be problematic. I certainly am for inclusion, but we do need to be fair to all women in this debate. Its not going to be fair to allow someone who has been through puberty as a male to suddenly move into the women's sports world and go head to head. Genetic males, no matter how they identify are going to have more muscle mass, more "everything" which makes them more efficient athletes.

That of course being said, there is so much more to unpack here. I mean I personally have no idea what effects taking female hormones has on a male body. I don't know if we even really know the full story from an athletics point of view. I think before I would throw my vote into the ring, I would need so much more information.

I think it is something that needs to be looked over and some hard decisions made. We need to be fair to the trans community while being fair to the cis athletes as well. I think we can, we just can't let knee-jerk reactions rule the field.

I'm pro trans and (like yourself) I'm in two minds on this. Obviously, this is an issue which is exaggerated by the right.

If it gives them competitive advantage, then I don't think it's right.

It seems wildly unfair.

If they do have an advantage over cis ppl its wrong but if not let them make money and chill they've already been through a lot

But are they dominating? I’d like to see some statistics. The hormones can put them at a disadvantage compared to cis women.

Trans women, aka.. Women 🤷‍♀️

It's really just a trap. As long as a trans person keeps losing at a sport they can point at them and call them weak and how being trans destroys a person. But if they win at sports it is all of a sudden a form of cheating and they will lose their mind over it. It's a damned if you do either way. Not to mention just blatant transphobia existing outside of sports.
My opinion is leave people that want to play together the frick alone. If someone they are competing against starts whining about it just tell them to shut up and do better.
TBH this looks like the same argument that people make against affirmative action. "It's cheating!" "They arent qualified." "They only got help cause they are black" (now it's trans). Same fricking argument, new target.
This is America! The land of the self made person pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. So to the anti-trans (or racists) shut your mouth and get to pulling.

I dunno, men are stronger than women and they were born men so..... you do the math. 🤨

So is it time for sports competitions to have 3 genders, Male, Female and Trans? I'm not a biologist so can't say whether trans people have an unfair advantage but I would think that they would, but that's just my opinion which isn't worth a hill of beans. The International Governing Bodies seem to have decided that it's ok and I have to assume they've done their due diligence on this???

there should be more than two options for gender/sex/roles. as a woman it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. idk i do think deep down they'll never understand what it's like to actually be female without the period, childbirth, etc. same goes with females who want to be males. again, there should be more than two options for gender/sex/roles. some people have both sets of reproductive organs or clearly exhibit traits opposite to their named gender. i don't put anyone down for it but overall i don't think it's "okay" to mutilate oneself with expensive surgeries, toxic cosmetics, and treatments which make the bones brittle, and try to be something you're not. to me it is a psychological dilemma caused by severe societal pressures to fit one set of gender standards. open up the playing field. i like guys in skirts.

It's a tough question. We have a trans female-to-male child and support him fully. But as someone who grew up involved in sports, I find it unfair for a person with essentially male musculature to compete against physical females. But what's the answer -- another sets of sports for trans males-to-females? And then a league for males-to-females? Or actual equality: everyone competes against all genders and let the chips fall where they may? But what would that do to female participation? I just don't know.

I don’t like it.
I think there needs to be a longer period of time in the transition process, where bodies start to change, before being allowed to participate. I take no issue at all with trans. Be who you want to be!

Absolutely unfair and i support other trans rights

Just today I saw that Governor DeSantis declared the leading biological woman as winner of a race in which the fastest time was by a person born male.

They don't actually dominate every sport they enter. Trans people have been competing in the Olympics since 2004. To this day, a trans woman hasn't won gold.

Most sport institutions require that trans women be on hormone meds that eliminate any advantage.

I believe there should be a transition period with the hormone therapies, as they do significantly change your body even post puberty. How long is more for scientists and health experts. But after some amount of time on the changed hormones, the advantages start vanishing. At that point, I think it should be okay. I do understand that transitioning people start with an advantage. But if they are honestly transitioning, it does go away over time.

Puberty blockers for trans kids until they are old enough to have fully transition seems like the simplest solution.

No
The whole trans movement is the same as the gay movement :
It’s all about white men.

Competitive sports is just plain stupid anyway.

Jesus fucking christ doesnt liberal indoctrinated skools teach biology anymore?