I'll preface this by saying my best friend is a straight man. But are you guys okay?

Three articles where men who identify as or are described as incels....have killed or planned to kill women who rejected them in some way.

Incel is more than being involuntarily celibate. It is about hating women because of some perceived slight on them as men. If a womam rejects them it is not because of them..but because of her. Or so they believe
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They claim some very disturbing things and have large echo chambers where they converse online.

This isn't about it being the fault of women. It is about men who can't control themselves. I think you misinterpret the indications that are being made.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/bianca-devins-murder-brandon-andrew-clark-858874/amp/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/22/incel-tres-genco-ohio/


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43892189

When an animal in he wild is standing at its tallest, baring its teeth and ready to attack, that's not a stance of predatory cunning. It's fear and survival instinct, nothing more.

When two men found each other millennia ago, partnership and cooperation were born. The very minute a third made it onto the scene, rivalries, alliances and power struggles became inevitable. Because man is a physically stronger species, he became physically dominant. Physical dominance can lead to control on all levels.

Fast forward a few centuries and we have societies wherein men, still encoded with the instinctive fear from his hominid ancestors, is every day standing on his hind legs shouting at his loudest volume, all to show intimidation through abject fear. 10,000 years ago we did it with hierarchical roles; we still do that, but we also lace subjugation though our laws, our policies and procedures, our storytelling, our division of duties. And men have done this so well, so thoroughly and for so long that they can get the very women affected by this positioning to defend it.

And of course, like any respectable ne'er do well, they find it easier to blame others for what they know is bad behavior than to do an searching inventory resulting in shared power and opportunity.

When we stop worshipping everything that least makes a man a real man, maybe it'll be easier to legislate sanely, keep the disenfranchised from extremist organizations and create sound and egalitarian legislation. Until then, there's no reason men can't live by the same codes of decent conduct and executive thinking skills as women.

I used to have to share a lunch break with a woman who would talk at me about feminism, about how the fact I dye my hair and wear makeup makes me a sexual slave to men. Everyday she would find something about my appearance to get up on her soap box.

She’s a woman. And I blame her.

First off, I haven't read the report and am not familiar with it. I would agree that incels are a problem. However, I wouldn't go so far as to call them a terrorist threat. The only one that comes to mind is Elliott Rodgers, who killed several of his fellow students that he referred to as "Chads" and "Stacys." Otherwise, most mass killings in the U.S. have not been perpetrated by men I would consider incels. The man who killed several Asian women in Atlanta a year ago apparently came from a hyper-religious background, and seems to have fetishized that group.

I do think that this frustration may be an element in why young men from Muslim backgrounds may be drawn to ISIS or al Qaeda or other groups that emphasize purity and misogyny. It's possible that American groups like the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, Oath Keepers, Three Percenters and similar ones draw at least some of their membership from disaffected young men who turn to those groups as an outlet for their frustration. It also explains Jordan Peterson's popularity, with his "men are orderly, women are chaotic," and "LGBT people don't actually exist."

As for the Japanese schools banning ponytails, that doesn't surprise me. Patriarchal cultures tend to blame women for "exciting" men. When I lived in a country that was almost entirely Muslim, I was told that women were expected to pray at the back of the mosque to avoid exciting men with their rear ends. That same mentality appears in the U.S. when the police ask a rape victim "what were you wearing?"

We have to be careful not to engage in accusing anyone of thoughtcrime. There are many young men who at some point in their development may consider themselves to be incels (or may be thought of as such by others). Most of them grow out of this. Demonizing them by telling them that they're potential terrorist will only feed into their existing feelings of persecution and may paradoxically encourage them to engage in violence they otherwise might not have considered.

When you're bombarded with cultural and societal ideas of being "lesser" because you can't get laid, combined with loneliness and seeing what seems like everyone around you seeming to have no difficulty with something you fail at seemingly no matter what for what feels like no reason at all, and with mental illness on top of all of that, it's a recipe for disaster.

I'm not defending those people, but relaying what things have felt like to me in going through this stuff. Your mindset becomes so warped that you want others to suffer the way you do, especially those you (wrongly) see as causing the issue in the first place.

Irony is, it's male led cultures that tell males that they can't control themselves around women. I wouldn't even think a ponytail would do that to a man but apparently men believe that of themselves since they obviously just accept these laws quite literally.

Back to the original post, believe it or not this isn't that surprising to me. I've seen, been around and heard of a few men who were like this "type." The problem isn't that they're "males," it's because they perceived being wronged by society and when you do that, comes entitlement. Entitlement comes victimhood and then comes anger and lashing out particularly when they find groups who will give them full permission to "take it out" on the general populace, then it becomes codependent and toxic. I'm really not surprised.

I'm also glad that those in authority have taken notice to these types of males as they're growing.

As a mostly straight man, I find that whole incel thing totally weird. If you can't get a woman to go out with you, there are sex workers. If you can't afford a sex worker, learn to pleasure yourself. If you're lonely, there are so many lonely people on line to talk to and connect with. I just don't get it.

It's right that these Incels are seen as dangerous and deviant because they are nothing to do with most men. Most men do not think that way, nor should they. Incels are warped and twisted individuals.

I dont believe everything i read or even see as a profile photo 😏

Men are motivated by sex. I don't know if anything could change that.

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Incels,Catfish and Trolls.
They will be the downfall of civilization 🤷‍♀️.

{@randi1125] i am sure this must be a small minoritybut all the same frustration should not take them over no means no

Legalize prostitution.
Problem solved.

A terrorist because you can’t get laid?

this whole male/female dichotomy is about ready to be retired in favor of something new. women do not know how to let a guy down easy. not every male is a rapist. the ones who are seem to be living it up, though. like Deshaun Watson, for example.

I'm okay, because I don't determine my entire self-worth on whether I can get women horny.