Best damn answer I've ever seen to this question...👍
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I agree (and I’m a card-carrying progressive). I will not waste time providing a source unless the discussion is specifically about the source. This is not a college course; I am not writing a term paper. I do not owe you a bibliography. You may contest what I’ve written with your own sources but I will not provide a link for you to dismiss. Such requests are almost never made in good faith.
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Completely agree. The "provide sources" "link" is a clear signal that the person has their mind made up and nothing will ever change it. Ditto the ones who post silly meaningless graphs as somehow proof. No back ground data no explanation as to how the numbers were derived. Just a silly graph usually attributed to some sort of 'authority'. Too funny. Not one of them are worth engaging in polite discussion.
@hippyjoe1955i DO my own research,and I am so good i get paid for it and i do not use pop news sources like fox and msm. pop news is Crap! when i ask for a source it is to DO that research. When a poster shares a source? i look at it, and from where it get's it's sources. when there are no sources offered I must assume 1) they can't recall where they head it (usually social media) 2) the source is embarrassing in it's weakness (this guy on twitter) 3) discourse based on Evidence is unwelcome, only "feelings" matter.
maybe you should stop listening to Tucker and crew
@SatyrService So you think CNN is an honest broker? What exactly is your point? I have never mentioned Fox. Why? I never watch it! I don't watch any of the MSM. I tend to rely on actual data from actual sources and try my best to find the original not the tampered. BTW is Breitbart still a thing?
@hippyjoe1955 i do not think CNN is an honset broker,, I BLAME them for creating the all news all the time format, making any stry into some kinda Big Deal [quote]is Breitbart still a thing? /quote] that made me very happy
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"I won't meet my burden of proof because some people will respond to it in stupid ways."
How cowardly. If someone uses a bullshit argument in response, that's their own damn problem. I've met innumerable people who actually respect good evidence. As long as you have credible sources, most people will respect them. The crazies won't, but that's just a sign to quit talking to them anyway.
@BlueVeins Ok, well I think I have been patient enough. You should review the psychological concept of projection, you are exhibiting a classic case of it.
I've noticed that. In so many cases, the demand for "proof" is simply another way to say "you're wrong". And that's often followed by childish insults. There is no reasoning with such people.
@AbbeyRhode I will tell them not to be so lazy, that the information is out there and they can find it just like I did. Why should I spend time posting everything for them when they can’t even do a damned Google search or whatever. They would ignore anything that didn’t line up with their opinions anyway.
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exactly and they will use Snopes😂 or Wikipedia😂 as fact-checkers to try to prove you wrong. (Snopes is run by a couple who work out of their home). They want us to hand over our sources and then spin them around so much it confuses others.
@Budwick There are level headed people on both sides but the hard core internet trolls kind of ruin the conversations and discussions can get so toxic and pointless that plenty level headed people can just disengage. Also rarely someone is able to poke me and I might appear crazy online too because I feel so disrespected so I try to avoid all that.
I understand and appreciate your explanation, and it is a valid position for the reasons you state. OTOH, and I accept that I might be the rare exception, I only ask for a source when they appear to be stating fact rather than opinion. And my reason for even perusing the political discussions is an effort to maintain some sort of balanced framework for my own opinions. I am not out to convert anyone, and don't really expect to be converted although I have learned things from the more civil and constructive discussions that have either corrected misconceptions I had, or at least modified my opinions.
@dancingtongue Fair enough. And I think if the claim is a data point or a direct quote, that's a reasonable expectation.
As I said at the end, a lot of times I just do my own research, you can google the quote or the data point and it will take you to where that info came from, plus you may find corroborating or refuting information on the info provided.
when i ask for a source? i use it to go find out more. sometimes i find out things that corroborate the poster, sometimes i find cherry picking, many times i find inaccurate and misleading sources i confess there are sources i dismiss out of hand having been down that particular rabbit hole, and found only rabbit shit.
for some of us the knowing is more important than the winning NOT offering sources comes across as dis-ingenuousness.
I am really interested in your statement
As a former progressive, now right wing supporter
I am truly interested in your journey would you care to share that? in private if you like
1. I was greatly impacted by witnessing the left, the Democrats, and their supporters act exactly the way they demanded that Trump and his supporters not act when they inevitably lost the 2016 Presidential election. 2. My politics haven't changed all that much in the last 10 years. Rather, the culture has shifted radically left on certain issues so now I am more conservative based on the changes of the culture du jour, not my own personal political journey.
@SumKindaMunster thanks,, I can understand this. the "culture wars" have been horrid for the national discourse I guess i am asking as much have the values you had as a progressive changed? things like health care, climate, education, foreign affairs.. thanks
@SatyrService Some have. I've shifted my opinion on gun control.
What really changed was my belief that TPTB actually care and intend to do something productive about climate change, health care, education, crime, etc.
They won't. Just pay lip service, point the finger, throw some money at it, and pretend its fixed.
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