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Was youtube right to remove the controversial video featuring Joe Roagan...

Where he talks to a scientific guy who links all the pro vaccers to "mass psychosis"?

Although this is perhaps not technically "deplatforming" (Joe Roagan is still on YouTube), it could be argued that the response of YouTube is still the censorship of ideas that might trouble the hive mind.

But it's worse. First they get to blanket ban problematic people entirely....

... But now they've got away with that, they know they can get away with cherry picking certain propositions that are trouble. This leaves the rest of us with less data in order to determine our opinions. Essentially, it means our subjugation is more insidious.

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independentone · M

Their company, their rules, either abide by the TOS or find another site. You aren't being forced to use youtube or any other social media site, but if you do use them, you had to agree to their TOS when you joined.

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Notanymore · 36-40, M

@JoeyFoxx Haha. My owner? You seem like a guy late to the party, playing keyboard warrior and too dim to know that your words are inconsequential without context. But yeah own me pal.....dumbass

JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M

@Notanymore *pats your head*

Good boy

Notanymore · 36-40, M

@JoeyFoxx

PepsiColaP

they are a business, they can do whatever they want. Americans are quick to defend businesses denying providing service to people because of personal beliefs but somehow forget that when it comes to online platforms

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@PepsiColaP I don't quite agree with this argument. Youtube is a monopoly service and has tremendous power. No other video streaming service has 1% of the access.

I am not saying I agree with Joe Rogan (I don't) or that I am in favour of his video being removed (two-minds).

ElwoodBlues · M

Social media platforms have a responsibility to prevent themselves from being used for harm or crime. For example, we all support the right of social media sites to remove content that's being used to organize terrorism or foment sedition. Some kinds of social media posts contain harmful misinformation, and they have the right to remove that too, as long as it's listed in some way in their terms of service.

I haven't listened to what Joe Rogan's guest said, but it sounds to me like it's a form of spreading harmful misinformation or disinformation. So far I have no objection to the youtube takedown.

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Notanymore · 36-40, M

@ElwoodBlues okay. Here's a question.....how long jas this conversation went on?

ElwoodBlues · M

@Notanymore Dunno. Like many text based conversations it's had many pauses while other things occur.

Notanymore · 36-40, M

@ElwoodBlues well....my assessment is too long for something so petty.

Ynotisay · M

They can do whatever they want. And if people are turning to You Tube hosts for their 'data' I'd say that's pretty stupid. Side note. It might really beneficial to learn what censorship really is. I don't think it's what you believe it to be. Bottom line is they have the right to drop anything they want for any reason. And I'd say removing lies and bullshit in a quest for money, when those lies HURT people, is pretty appropriate.

Jm31xxx · 46-50, M

@Ynotisay And I'd say removing lies and bullshit in a quest for money, when those lies HURT people, is pretty appropriate

Well I haven't seen the vid in question so I can't comment on the lies and hurt. Have you seen it?

Ynotisay · M

@Jm31xxx I read the article on it. Giving Robert Malone a platform like that is a little hard for me to swallow out of the chute. He's a snake oil salesman and his words kill. Comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany is my limit.

LordShadowfire · 100+, M

Oh, for the love of fuck.

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LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@Jm31xxx You are 100% free to create your own video streaming service, and upload whatever you like. So long as it doesn't promote active insurrection, violence, or prejudice against any minority groups, nobody will fuck with it. That's what freedom of speech means. It doesn't mean that an existing streaming service is required to allow you to post your bullshit.

[quote]yeah but is Spotify owned by YouTube. And traditionally, is it known as an information source?[/quote]
I don't know who owns it. I assume it's a different company, because Joe has an exclusive streaming contract with them. The point is, the government isn't going to come take him away because he keeps spouting lies on Spotify. Therefore, the comparison fails.

Jm31xxx · 46-50, M

@LordShadowfire

"So long as it doesn't promote active insurrection, violence, or prejudice against any minority groups,"

Don't think the vid in question did anything like that

LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@Jm31xxx It didn't. But YouTube has as part of its terms of service, to which every YouTuber agrees, not to post lies that could lead to people getting hurt. I'm not saying they aren't being a little strict with their definitions, but they have a legal and moral right to do so. It's their website. Don't like it? Make your own. It's a free country.

Peapod · 61-69, F

Many social site have their rules (fair or not fair) and no one is forcing anyone to use them.

With that said, I do find that too much censorship really discourages discussions. I would like to believe that most people fact check their sources.

onrealityofdreams

@Peapod I fully agree with you.

BlueVeins · 22-25

YouTube has already taken an anti-free speech approach towards other channels for this same reason, so they're pretty much backed into a corner on this whole Joe Rogan thing.

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Jm31xxx · 46-50, M

@LordShadowfire please post this TOS since you keep going on about it.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@LordShadowfire O, all bow before the almighty power of the TOS. For God created the TOS on the eighth day, they shall remain unchanging and unchallengable for all time. 🙏

Jm31xxx · 46-50, M

@BlueVeins lol yeah TOS is like either something Moses brought down from the mountain or like the nth amendment.

faithfulhusband · C

i think joe has some horseshit vaccine takes but id rather the video stays up and ppl make up their own minds

LordShadowfire · 100+, M

@faithfulhusband I kind of see your point of view, but I can also see where YouTube/Google would consider that video dangerous. To my mind, it's the same thing as putting up a video telling people to go jump off a cliff, but that flapping their arms as they fall will save them.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

YouTube was fully in the right and good riddance. Pseudo science is funny to laugh at but in all seriousness, it gets a little dark when people actually believe others like Joe Rogan and his "scientist" he had on there. People doing dangerous stuff like bathing in pesticides because they want the vaccine removed from their bodies is an example of how dangerous pseudoscience beliefs are.

Notanymore · 36-40, M

YouTube censors more content than tipper gore could ever dream of. They're proud political sheels pushing there on ideas by choking out anything disputing the status quo

StevetheSleeve · 31-35, M

I don’t favor this type of thought exclusion. Most people can recognize nonsense and treat it as such. Those who are vulnerable to bullshit like that are going to be who they are regardless.

NoahB · 26-30, M

It’s not censorship because YouTube is not the government. It’s like he got kicked out of Chuck e Cheese

Eternity · 26-30, M

Both sides are aware of the mass psychosis but neither realizes that both sides are ensnared in it.

The only sane people are the ones in the middle.

The truth is nearly [i]always[/i] somewhere in the middle.

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Eternity · 26-30, M

@Burnley123 my point was that covid vaccines are nothing to crucify your neighbors over.

So yes, the extreme in that direction is still wrong.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@Eternity I'm clearly not about crucifying neighbours. The point is that is the absence of a good reason, everyone should get a vaccine. Is as much about protecting others as yourself. I wouldn't say I support vaccine mandates but I see them as necessary. Like hiw seatbelts in cars are legally mandated. It's true that you will not likely be OK if you drive without a seat belt because only one in a thousand journeys end in a crash...

Jm31xxx · 46-50, M

@Burnley123 https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT?si=ApjccuBiSiuspM_wadWkyw&utm_source=copy-link

I'm still listening. Maybe I'm getting seduced by his very Asmr friendly voice but the more I listen, the more he seems to make sense. So if you watch it and you think there's anything worth refuting, please let me know

Budwick · 70-79, M

[quote]Was youtube right to remove the controversial video featuring Joe Roagan...[/quote]

Fuck no!

Who made them the arbiter of truth?

And JM31 - what's up with 'hive mind'?

Have you all lost your collective minds?

Youtube, Fakebook, and Twatter have all left personal liberty behind. They suck and IMO are evil.

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M

Yes, but they are probably better off adopting a “this is bonafide horseshit” disclaimer system to keep the kooks from blowing gaskets.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

It depends on whether We regard removing things as damaging and factual inaccurate as a good idea.

There is no such thing as a free-speech absolutist. For example, would people allow videos about murdering people or encouraging Pedophilia? No and nor should we.

I think all political opinions should be allowed but not things that are demonstrably false as valid opinions. I realise that even this is problematic but then free speech is always problematic.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

There is no such thing as "pro vaxxers," there's only "common sense people" and "anti vaxxers."

ViciDraco · 36-40, M

The invisible hand of the free market has long been worshipped as the arbiter of value. How ironic that those who worship it most deeply decry the results it has wrought.

Ynotisay · M

@ViciDraco Funny how that works, huh? Those cries of 'free market capitalism' go right out the window when it's convenient.

stratosranger · M

This is why other platforms have arisen like Rumble.

Tres13 · 51-55, M

Book burning

uncalled4 · 56-60, M

I think that if you're looking for truth on ANY social media...probably not the best place. It's no different than what happens at the networks. Why is anyone surprised?

MethDozer · M

Joe Rogan isnt even podcasting on Youtube anymore so they can't really deplatform him.

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