To Covid Vax or Not to Covid Vax

The reason for encouraging vaccination is to stop or limit transmission. The more a virus reproduces, then the more mutations it will undergo, and more variants arise. The danger with the new variants is that changes may result in current tests, vaccines and other treatments not being effective. The new omicron variant carries a lot of changes compared to the original strain that vaccines were developed to, but it's not known yet what impact these changes have. It's possible that eventually the changes will result in a relatively harmless virus, compared to current strains.

What is disturbing is that no one wants to take liability for injuries or deaths from these vaccines, yet they are constantly pushing everyone to take them. Every single drug that has been put on the market for years and then withdrawn due to serious side effects including death was approved by the FDA and most have class-action lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies that manufactured them. They were advertised heavily too. You never see a commercial for any brand of these Covid vaccines on TV, they would have to tell possible side effects and they are not willing to do it. What the pharmaceutical companies have done to get around that is to hire celebrities and social influencers to tell everyone to get the vaccine…social pressure from these people. I wonder how much money they’ve invested in doing this.

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The Greatest under reported story from 2021?
Children Are Dying From COVID, Lockdowns and Overdoses:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2022/01/06/impact-of-covid-policies-on-children.aspx
Excerpt below from article above:
[Sacrifice the Young to ‘Protect’ the Old?
As noted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., never before has a society demanded that children take risks that might sacrifice their health in order to protect the old.11 It’s immoral and irrational.
Writing in The Defender,12 Dr. Robert Malone highlighted the second Physicians Declaration13 by the International Alliance of Physicians and Medical Scientists, dated October 29, 2021, which has been signed by more than 16,000 doctors and scientists, stating that “healthy children shall not be subjected to forced vaccination” as their clinical risk from SARS-CoV-2 infection is negligible and long term safety of the shots cannot be determined prior to such policies being enacted.
Not only are children at high risk for severe adverse events, but having healthy, unvaccinated children in the population is crucial to achieving herd immunity. The declaration also demands that health agencies and institutions “cease interfering with physicians treating individual patients.”
Three Things Parents Must Know
Malone writes:14
“Before you inject your child — a decision that is irreversible — I wanted to let you know the scientific facts about this genetic vaccine, which is based on the mRNA vaccine technology I created.
There are three issues parents need to understand: The first is that a viral gene will be injected into your children’s cells. This gene forces your child’s body to make toxic spike proteins. These proteins often cause permanent damage in children’s critical organs, including:
* Their brain and nervous system.
* Their heart and blood vessels, including blood clots.
* Their reproductive system.
* This vaccine can trigger fundamental changes to their immune system.
The most alarming point about this is that once these damages have occurred, they are irreparable:
* You can’t fix the lesions within their brain.
* You can’t repair heart tissue scarring.
* You can’t repair a genetically reset immune system.
* This vaccine can cause reproductive damage that could affect future generations of your family.
The second thing you need to know about is the fact that this novel technology has not been adequately tested. We need at least 5 years of testing/research before we can really understand the risks. Harms and risks from new medicines often become revealed many years later.
Ask yourself if you want your own child to be part of the most radical medical experiment in human history. One final point: the reason they’re giving you to vaccinate your child is a lie.
Your children represent no danger to their parents or grandparents. It’s actually the opposite. Their immunity, after getting COVID, is critical to save your family if not the world from this disease.
In summary: There is no benefit for your children or your family to be vaccinating your children against the small risks of the virus, given the known health risks of the vaccine that as a parent, you and your children may have to live with for the rest of their lives. The risk/benefit analysis isn’t even close. As a parent and grandparent, my recommendation to you is to resist and fight to protect your children.”]

Who is Dr.Robert Malone? The Chief Architect of mRNA platform technology.

Humanity's whistleblower – Dr. Robert Malone sounds the alarm
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/humanitys-whistleblower-dr-robert-malone-sounds-the-alarm/article_e9c05e86-6ccf-11ec-9417-bbc21429de9c.html
The above article is probably the most sourced current article ever on Dr. Robert Malone.
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As for me,I am basically just a human being who does countless hours of research, I've done over 2000 hours of research on this "vaccine." I scour a countless number of articles every single day,and have listened to over a thousand hours of content regarding this "vaccine." I present people with information and let them decide.

What's at stake now is everybody's personal health, individual liberty and every human being's right to decide for themselves what goes into their bodies. Do the research, it takes thousands of hours and more, it should not be taken lightly.

Those who so easily acquiesce to the leftist propaganda and the corrupt government over reach deserve the tyranny that they will eventually exist under for the rest of their lives.

I didn't get the vax. I am old enough to remember some of the medical disasters of the past. However I did keep an open mind and I watched as the media hyped the virus as being this mass killer. I couldn't see the mass death. I couldn't find huge numbers of people that even had it. I kind of compared it to the 1918 flu when two of my family members died from it. Covid obviously wasn't that deadly. I also remember the swine flu panic of 1976 where people rushed out to get vaxed and wound up severely injured. My sister a nurse and my friend and emergency room doctor advised against getting vaxed so I held off. My brother in law got the vax and we buried his body two days later. My friend got the vax and lost part of his bowel. My cousin's daughter got the vax and had several heart stoppages as she was being airlifted to the major trauma center. Months and years later I still don't know anyone who was so sick they needed hospitalization let alone ICU or death from covid. I eventually had it and it was a mild cold. So what was all the panic about again?

I am going to see if everyone gets notified when I do this and use it to summarize what this post accomplished for me.

If I some how missed responding to anyone I am sorry I really did try to cover everyone who participated. Even the mean people who showed up.

So I still am not sure I understand this herd immunity thing, not that a few went to great lengths to attempt to get me to understand.
No offense to anyone but to me it kind of looks like cooking the books. Make it look good on paper. But there is a good chance I am wrong with that assessment.

Some have made very convincing arguments that the vax is a far better thing than it is bad. For some reason I am still worried that I will be the ONE damn person I know that will have the bad reaction to it.

Over all Thank all of you who weren't mean for participating with me on this.
This is the sort of thing I log on here for. :-)

There is no perfectly safe path in life; I think vaccination is better than facing Covid unvaccinated. The mRNA vaccines, after something like 1 billion doses worldwide, have had a really good track record. If you decide to get vaccinated, Moderna or Pfizer are the best choices - best protection & lowest probability of side effects.

My wife & I both got Pfizer as soon as we were eligible, and got our boosters recently. The original doses resulted in sore arms; the day after the booster we each had several hours of what felt like a very mild fever. This seems to be common for the booster 6 mo after 2 doses. It means your immune system has plenty of antibodies available to attack the booster.

Not vaxed, I feel it is the best choice for me. Others should make their own choices. If it is a vax they have no need to fear me.

I was vaccinated before I had chemo earlier this year. I'll be getting the booster next week.

At the end of the day, if you have even a moderately good immune system, it isn't worth the risk of the jab when even if you possibly get it you have a 99.996% chance of recovery with little to no symptoms across all age groups.

Herd immunity once meant being immune to something by either vax or having the virus. Now, many wish to say that only a vax can give herd immunity.
What a vaccine really is has been redefined to fit what the new vaccines are and what they do.
People who are vaccinated are still getting the virus. They aren't "saving" any unvaccinated by separating them and locking them in their homes. What magnanimous B.S.!
Crowded E.R. rooms may be so in huge cities, but it's not happening in a lot of hospitals around here.

you might like to know the Mrna vaccines are not a sudden discovery they have been in tyhe pipeline for nearly 30 years
Drew Weissman and Katalin Karikó strared work on this in the early 90's. it is more robust tech, and can be adapted very quickly to any new pathogen.

I have been vaxxed and recommend. the worst die effects,, seen in VERY few people
are NOTHING compared to what covid CAN and often does do to one.

If you don't get vaccinated, you don't care about the world or anyone in it...including yourself

I'm not getting vaxxed. I had COVID back in a January (it felt like a mild cold at worst) and I have antibodies. I'm good, I don't need or want an experimental serum that hasn't been properly tested injected inside my body.

[quote]Why do I have to get it for you to be safe from it?[/quote]
The general goal is to keep your local medical facilities from being overrun with anti-vaxers like has happened over and over during severe outbreaks.

[quote]The last thing I saw mentioned the over crowded E-Rooms because of the un-vaxed getting the virus. Wouldn't this imply that we should also ban mass transit being as if a bus or train has a crash then more people than an E-Room can handle could need treatment??[/quote]
If that becomes a frequent enough occurrence, we might - but in general mass transit is extremely safe.

[quote]No one is arguing over the Flu Vax. Aren't people worried that if I don't get it then they may contract it even though they have taken that Vax??[/quote]If the flu kills over half a million Americans despite us pulling out all the stops to limit its spread - you will definitely see flu vaccine mandates, etc.

blind obedience and submission to a compulsory law is more deadly than any virus and creates more victims than any war...

many people would believe anything they're told by a captor holding them at gunpoint, the government and big pharma is doing pretty much the same thing right now with a needle...

Personally, I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees...

I am fully vaccinated and got the booster (Moderna) however I do not feel it is right to force the vaccines on people it should be a choice also I have seen many vaccinated people still getting covid so I understand peoples reluctance

No one argues about the flu vax because it was thoroughly tested and has been in use for decades, like all other vaccines. This one is not only using a relatively new technology but did not undergo the usual decade of testing that other vaccines and pharmaceuticals have in the past.

I've not had it and potentially could lose my job because of it, I will not be forced into it.

Now we know the real reason illegals aren't getting vaccinated, lmao at all the fools who trust the vaccine manufacturers, the corrupt leftist media and the new world order leftist tyrants in power who tell you this vaccine is safe and effective. What a gullible bunch of willfully ignorant sheep, God help you all.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/wth-millions-migrants-denied-covid-shots-manufacturers-fear-lawsuits-side-effects/

I got Vaxed and got the booster shot I didn't want to die at a young age and lose my life because of the virus

I got the vaccine and a booster shot. But it's not the place of government to order it and make people face consequences for not doing so.

I agree with that fact it was pushed through too quickly, even thought they know about the new strains, why haven't they made vaccines or are working on vaccines around them as we speak?
they aren't.

ugh I had to get vaxxed to attend a festival and for my parents, my dad has parkinsons and a very bad chest, so I couldn't risk it. And of course, they introduced covid passports here so couldn't really just put life on hold, if honest I felt I was put over a barrel with it all, there was so much fear mongering, it was hard to try and figure out what to do :(

Viruses mutate that's why there are annual flu vaccinations. If people don't want to be vaccinated then that's their choice but then cannot complain if the virus hangs around longer as it has free range to mutate again and again.

Fluvax had decades of testing and safe use . It is not forced . And it’s not very effective.

If you don’t get vaxed you lose your job because you will spread covid. If you are vaxed and get covid, you keep your job ???

Move to a red state, stop voting for socialists, and live your life in freedom

I will say the same thing I have said many times.
It is a personal choice but if you get it and get sick or die I feel bad for you but you brought it upon yourself.
The mrna has been worked on since the 90's and vaccines with mrna since 2013 so it isn't all that new.
As with all vaccines not one is 100% effective and all drugs...vaccines included...have side effects.
All viruses mutate...flu included...so updated vaccines are made to combat those mutations thus a new flu vaccine every year.
Vaccines give you protection from severe symptoms and/or death.

And hes back,dp you think they can ban mass transit in major cities? With every vaccine a certain percentage MUST be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity and there are a few stories of diseases unheard of in modern times because of the autism proponents growing to such an extent

The issue here is far too many people today want to tell you how you should live, when they can't even handle their own messed up lives.

You need to eat your broccoli, because if you don't I will never be healthy!

[quote]I feel it was pushed through too quickly. There hasn't been enough time, in my personal opinion, to know what the big picture will bring.
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That might be your opinion but it is factually wrong.

[quote]Why do I have to get it for you to be safe from it??? This confuses me.[/quote]

Simple, if you are unvaccinated you are more likely to spread it and provide a nice incubator for the virus to mutate and become more dangerous and pushing everyone 2 or 3 steps backwards.


Also unvaccinated people being hospitalized is slamming the medical system.


And ERs are equipped to handle large crashes, not thousands making frankly stupid decisions putting everyone including the staff at risk. You can't spread a car or bus crash.


The flu for the 1000 000th time is a completely different animal. Might as well bring up ebola for how relevant it is (meaning not at all)


Absolute best case scenario covid is 10 times more dangerous and we passed best case scenario a year and a half ago.

Well the people I know who’ve been seriously ill from the virus or even have died makes one wonder that the vaccinations are worth having. Then of course I do not believe the tripe that is written on the Internet by people who do not know I think about it and believe conspiracy theories.

Nothing is safe. We're all dying.

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“No One Has Ever Complied Their Way Out of Totalitarianism – This Is the Hill We Need to Die On” – Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Releases New Year’s Statement
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/no-one-ever-complied-way-totalitarianism-hill-need-die-robert-f-kennedy-jr-calls-action-new-year/

MASS PSYCHOSIS IS A REAL GLOBAL PANDEMIC
https://www.wakingtimes.com/mass-psychosis-is-a-real-global-pandemic/

Same, I don't like that it's mandatory where I live, it makes me dislike it even more, plus media keeps saying our hospitals are filled and have no capacity while when we visit they're mostly empty, looking pretty much pre-covid, I also asked about this from a few nurses of some hospitals and they said the same thing.

Here's the deal with the overcrowded hospitals thing.

We can handle the odd bus crash. It's bad but you can normally fly people around or fill up hospital space with these emergency situations.

If you add covid to that, the beds are -already full-. So where do you send the people from the bus crash?

Vaccines reduce the number of hospitalizations from covid because if you get covid, you probably won't get as sick.

Are vaccines zero-risk? No, but covid is provably worse.

Covid is also not going anywhere, and we will all eventually get it.

I trust my GP and he recommended the vaccine and booster. I trust my kids pediatrician and she recommended the vax for my kids. No side effects for anyone

What the VAERS Data Tell Us About COVID Jab Safety:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/12/19/vaers-covid-data.aspx

I know where i am the vax has given people a false sense of security. The unvaxed i know do social distancing wear masks and stay away from large crowds . With the vaxed it's the opposite they believe i got the shot I'm immune so no mask no distance no avoiding crowds.Hey we got vaxed so lets all head to the mall! To me the vaxed are more dangerous because they can still spread it . The vaxed i know act like covid is not a problem any more

At least you have thought about it, and admitted what you don't understand, rather than blindly obeying the pro-pandemic campaigners.

Qanon? That still going? I thought it had died away, or perhaps its perpetrator had finally been identified or had confessed, or had ended it, or something.

I am vaccinated and had a booster. I am immunocompromised so the doctors aren’t sure how well it will take for me.

It’s funny people are saying this vaccine was rushed. It wasn’t and people that say that do not fully understand the process. My unvaccinated friend who was healthy just died from COVID and leaves her children and husband behind.

It’s really sad but for people dying from COVID that haven’t been vaccinated, I just can’t care anymore. I am trying to protect myself and with how selfish people are I am going to do what I need to because I can’t rely on people to get vaccinated to protect me.