Question for the UK
It's been determined by several of you SW, UK Scholars that Trump is to blame for Covid in the USA. I'm curious as to who is to blame for the second wave now hitting you???
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Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
Blaming Trump for covid itself is stupid and contradicts a lot of what he actually did that other people were complaining about. EG. wanting to close flights and being called "xenophobic" by democrats and newspapers.
You can definitely critique his handling of it though, and the same goes for Boris Johnson in the UK. He had by far the worst most incompitant repsonse out of anybody. The virus was going to get here regardless though, it was just a matter of time. Blaming is useless at this point.
You can definitely critique his handling of it though, and the same goes for Boris Johnson in the UK. He had by far the worst most incompitant repsonse out of anybody. The virus was going to get here regardless though, it was just a matter of time. Blaming is useless at this point.
PSuss1 · 51-55, M
Hmmmm, a passive aggressive line of questioning lol
No-one that I've spoken to "blames Trump for Covid in the USA"? His response has been haphazard, pushing responsibility out to the States at every opportunity and then attacking them if they don't do what he wants/expects and refusing to listen to his scientific advisors, which probably means that far more Americans have been infected and died than needed to, but blaming him for Covid would be ridiculous ...he may be bat-shit crazy but he's not a bat!
In terms of our own second wave, I'm afraid Boris and his cronies would have to hold up their hands to some very similar shortcomings in terms of lack of preparedness and planning (only with a few more effective checks and balances in place).
No-one that I've spoken to "blames Trump for Covid in the USA"? His response has been haphazard, pushing responsibility out to the States at every opportunity and then attacking them if they don't do what he wants/expects and refusing to listen to his scientific advisors, which probably means that far more Americans have been infected and died than needed to, but blaming him for Covid would be ridiculous ...he may be bat-shit crazy but he's not a bat!
In terms of our own second wave, I'm afraid Boris and his cronies would have to hold up their hands to some very similar shortcomings in terms of lack of preparedness and planning (only with a few more effective checks and balances in place).
SW-User
Hugely contradictory and confusing device from the British government; government officials not following their own rules; and crowds of bell-ends descending on beaches whenever the weather is warm, particularly if the police have expressly asked them not to.
Perhaps more than any other country in the world, the British people DO NOT want to be told what to do. And that can be a problem sometimes :(
Perhaps more than any other country in the world, the British people DO NOT want to be told what to do. And that can be a problem sometimes :(
revenant · F
I am not a UK scholar and I certainly do not blame Trump for Covid.
I am in a second wave zone and here the blame is being put mainly on people wanting holidays and mostly all the vacationers returning from North Africa.
France did not shut its doors quickly either as it was deemed "racist".
I am in a second wave zone and here the blame is being put mainly on people wanting holidays and mostly all the vacationers returning from North Africa.
France did not shut its doors quickly either as it was deemed "racist".
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
lynncelestial · 31-35, F
Over here people treat the state as god. They hand over all responsibility to the state and then, without fail, blame the state when things don't go well. It is almost like people here wish to take responsibility away from themselves so they don't have to blame themselves for their own bad decisions. UK dweller here, smaller governments for the win!
jackieash · 26-30
@lynncelestial No they don't treat government as "god" here. They just expect it to do what it is supposed to. Most countries that have been hit with COVID have at least attempted to keep pace with how its mutated, But this lot have been pishing "herd immunity" even though scientists that it both an unproven theory and stupidly dangerous to even think about trying it.
lynncelestial · 31-35, F
@jackieash A lot of them really do. A lot of the sheepish behaviour of many in the UK makes sense through the lens of secular religion. Also, "scientists" are not just one group all in agreement 100% of the time over everything, that is not how science works. However, that is part of my point. Despite the fact that MANY doctors, nurses, scientists etc have disagreed with the lockdown measures, the world states decide which doctors should be listened to, like a religion. However, feel free to put complete trust in the state, history shows that that always ends amazingly.
jackieash · 26-30
@lynncelestial Where did I say I had "complete faith" in government? All I said was it was people expect them to do what they are supposed to do. The government is after all a group of public servants, there to serve the people. It's this bunch that has twisted it round so that they have become the ones in control and us have become their servants. I have ignored the government comments about the virus from the get go and took more notice from the scientists, who have been more consistent. I have no time for conspiracy theorists, either so I don't buy into this "it's a hoax" crap.
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Graylight · 51-55, F
@JT123 Hands down, demonstrably, and with enormous data to support it, Republicans and conservatives have a compulsion to lay blame for literally everything. Don't make the press? Blame the media. Protest highlighting centuries-long social injustice? Blame antifa. Science asking us to be more conscientious in order to ensure our existence on this planet? Blame the Liberals in the climate change hoax. Blame the woman who wants an abortion for getting pregnant in the first place. Blame the guy you want to put to death for the crimes he committed in poverty.
Please. And yes, while Trump cannot cause nor spread on a wide scale covid 19, he is absolutely culpable for his reaction and lack of protection for the charges he assumed when he took the office. Or have you already blamed China?
Please. And yes, while Trump cannot cause nor spread on a wide scale covid 19, he is absolutely culpable for his reaction and lack of protection for the charges he assumed when he took the office. Or have you already blamed China?
@Graylight [image] he spreads corona to children
Graylight · 51-55, F
@thebusterking He's tested, practices social distancing, quarantined and wears a mask regularly. Everyone around him does the same thing. It's not that you can never touch another human being, but you can't be an idiot about it, Troll.
Frank52 · 70-79, M
People. It spreads through people. No people: no COVID. Or colds, 'flu, car crashes...
However, people exist and we love life and community. Medical advice that keeping away from each other and wearing masks helps reduce the risk is good and politicians play their part in emphasising or ignoring the advice. In the end, individuals make their personal choice and grown ups accept the consequences.
Incompetence is not confined to one political persuasion or individual, but in a democracy, there are fewer excuses for ending up with the foolish and ill equipped with responsibility for managing national resources.
However, people exist and we love life and community. Medical advice that keeping away from each other and wearing masks helps reduce the risk is good and politicians play their part in emphasising or ignoring the advice. In the end, individuals make their personal choice and grown ups accept the consequences.
Incompetence is not confined to one political persuasion or individual, but in a democracy, there are fewer excuses for ending up with the foolish and ill equipped with responsibility for managing national resources.
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Trump is only responsible for NOT closing the door to flights from Wuhan into the U.S. [b]AFTER[/b] he [b]KNEW[/b] that was the source of the outbreak !
GayleM · 41-45, F
There are many factors as to why this has happened. I’m not a fan of trumpet but neither am I infantile enough to blame him for every bad thing that happens during his term. Sadly I can only speak for myself.
I can have a different political view to someone without taking a dislike to them. But there are a few individuals here who live and breath this stuff and it doesn’t do us any good.
I can have a different political view to someone without taking a dislike to them. But there are a few individuals here who live and breath this stuff and it doesn’t do us any good.
Gangstress · 41-45, F
email boris?
SirenCalledLuce · F
Don’t be shy.