That the rioters in Oakland, Seattle and Portland behaves much the same as rioters in Baltimore, Atlanta and Chicago suggest that it's coordinated and managed. Considering that it's mostly happening in big Democrat managed cities suggests that there's a political connection between the Democrat and the riots.
That the mainstream media tends to play it down further suggests it's a leftist conspiracy of some kind and the most glaring evidence is that there is little to no awareness of who the local or national leaders are, nor does there appear to any interest by the media or political leaders in discovering who the leaders are.
If some crazy person shoots up a school, the immediate focus of the media is to find out who that person is, where he/she lives, who the neighbors are, where they went to school, etc., etc., etc.
But here we are, 3 months into riots across America and we know little or nothing about who is behind them. The media obviously wants us to think it's a bunch of angry Black people who are fed up with being marginalized, yet no one wants to say exactly who they are. In cities where the rioters are finally starting to be arrested, there seems to be little to no reporting of who is being arrested, where they work and live, and what connections they have to others.
I'm going to quote BLM spokesman Ariel Atkins who recently said in Chicago to an adoring crowd: "I don't care if someone decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike store, because that makes sure that person eats," "That makes sure that person has clothes."That is reparations," Atkins said. "Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance." Honey - come to my house and see how that flies.....
Yes. BLM is a Marxist group. There are actually TWO BLM groups and it is really hard to differentiate between them. The protesters who come out during the day and do little to no damage to anyone or anything are the real BLM protesters. It is THOSE protesters who are, (mostly), peaceful.
The Marxist BLM group has allied itself with antifa in cities like Portland and Seattle. The goal of antifa is to burn down our society...destroy it completely. They do not WANT to rebuild, and they do not WANT ANY government.
It seems to suit extremely mentally effed up Democrat politicians to allow them to run wild. If there were only those two groups, they would be easily handled...but there are over 100 different groups of anarchists and domestic terrorists and Marxists.
The Democrats are NOW trying to tell us that this civil unrest has been caused by Trump...along with all cases of hemorrhoids, tooth decay, and halitosis.
In fact, the Marxists have been waiting for their excuse to take over for a long time. You can thank Bernie Sanders, AOC and the squad for a lot of this, but Nancy Pelosi the power whore admitted them all to her party...so be sure to thank her, too. Being an American nation and answerable to our Constitution does not suit wannabe totalitarians.
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@4meAndyou I see all of this just as you said. It’s those people they are using to do some of the dirty work and support them that will be turned on or disposed quickly when the job is complete. I see them being used and then discarded like dirt.
@SW-User There's another element I failed to mention. China.
Wall Street and big money interests in the USA want China back, so they will even back Hiden, (Harris/Biden), embarrassing brain damage and all, to get China back. It is entirely possible that they, along with Hollywood and many other power whores are backing the chaos.
@luckranger71 African American males between 14 and 35 or so. Economic status and single parent homes contribute also. They commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes considering they are a small cross-section of 13% of this country and manage to commit 51% of the violent crimes. A truth does not become a lie simply because it is offensive to some people. There is a clear reason for the obvious differences between Mogadishu and Helsinki, or Liberia and Austria.
@DukeOfEarle Yes. I remember that poor young lady in Newark. They came up with clubs and beat this poor woman to a pulp for shits and giggles. Then there was that poor developmentally disabled kid that they tortured under the pretense that he was a "Trump supporter." They made a video of it. They were laughing while torturing the poor guy.
My take from what I saw and read both before and during the protests, is that a lot of people were already greatly pissed at the (federal) govt. because of the questionable handling of the pandemic, and specifically the public controversial declarations of the POTUS on the matter - Floyd's episode was just the straw that broke the camel's back. All the rest, from Soros involvement to domestic socialists (then became marxists) are just conspiracies - at least until hard evidence is presented, so far there's none - to try to justify what is the consequence of poor management and lack of cohesion between the two parties.
@Elessar First of all thank you for replying politely, and I apologize in case my reply sounded harsh/rude, in particular the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" line which wasn't directed at you personally, of course. So, as you can see from both mine and your charts there was never a "flattening" of the primary curve. Notice that mine reports total cases / population, whereas yours report new daily cases, which is sort of like the derivative function of the former. If we decide to both use this second type of curve, what is referred to as "flattening" in the former should look like an actual decrease in the latter, which isn't present in none of the American curves posted above (except for the Minnesota one but only after June). Here it is for the same three countries I posted before (after March: U.S. steady growth, Italy and Germany decreasing growth):
I'm not saying that the protests couldn't have influenced the curve (both the anti-lockdown ones that came earlier, and the BLM ones then most likely did), or even discussing whether the pandemic response should or could have been coordinated directly by the federal executive (even if, I think, it's a weakness of the entire system if exceptional and potentially catastrophic events like a pandemic cannot be handled centrally - but let's not digress). What I'm saying is that the POTUS and the respective party could have perfectly avoided pushing continuously anti-scientific denialist positions, specifically as I said before: minimizing the severity of the situation, encouraging/defending armed rioters who stormed into a state govt. building to oppose the regional lockdown (even claiming they were "fine people" when some of these actually blocked ambulances), claiming the virus would've disappeared on its own "in April", claimed there was a cure (HCQ/CQP), suggesting sick people could be treated with injections of disinfectants and UV light, pushing for early reopening *amid the peak*, etc.
I have friends living in the U.S., and I've seen plenty of video evidence of what was going on, both before and after the Floyd murder, and there is a stark difference in how the entire population perceived the coronavirus treat over here and how a statistically significant portion of it (mostly if not solely the pro-Trump electorate) did over there. Roads were empty for months here - people followed guidelines with a surgical precision, no matter their political color; whereas from there I've seen were videos of full malls as soon as they reopened, as if nothing was happening; few or even zero masks in crowds, entitled people literally yelling or even spitting on people (!) because they didn't want to put up one when prompted to by shop owners/personnel, the "covidiots" riots I covered before, just to name a few. Would this all have happened if the GOP and the POTUS didn't push an anti-scientific stance for *months* before the Floyd murder? Because this is the question that a lot of people I've talked with are asking, and which made/makes their blood boil, to the point that - at least in my opinion - a single spark was all what it took to ignite all what came after.
:) I think you have to look at both your graphs and my graphs more closely. They all show a definitive turn upwards following the beginnings of the protests. The 14 day moving Minnesota average shows it coming down quite fast and then sharply turning up.
Distorting all the graphs is that they don't account for the expansion of testing. Apparently, also, there is no widespread testing for antibodies, so lacking in all graphs is an accounting for those who may have been infected, showed little or no symptoms, self cured and went on their happy way without making even a blip with the statisticians.
It's not too much of a stretch to assume these were probably mostly young and otherwise healthy people.
We do know that the majority of those who were seriously infected, many of whom died, were seniors or compromised, and disproportionately Black seniors. So follow the likelihood that young and healthy people participated in the protest and riots and passed the virus around, never themselves feeling sick enough to see a health provider, or never feel sick at all. And ... between protests visited their grandparents, older aunts, uncles etc. and spread the virus. It's how all viruses and infections spread, healthy, unaffected carriers carry the virus/germs to those who lack the ability to fend it off.
Looking at how many older nursing facility residents were infected and died, and the similar pattern across all of America and it's not unreasonable to believe that family and staff were most likely the carriers. Did that happened with the protests? If it happened with Spring break, with Mardi Gras .... probably so.
To comparing the US with Europe's experiences should take into account the travel/vacation habits of Europeans and personal habits. Europe caught the virus before the Summer holiday rush and effectively cancelled the summer rush to "Holiday", leaving each country pretty much self contained to fight the virus. And since Europeans are a bit more touchy-feely than we Americans are, it hit there much harder (Europeans cheek-kiss even casual friends. Do that in the US and you might get arrested :) )
@Heartlander Yes, as I said I'm not digressing on what happened *after* the protests, I'm actually on your side on saying they probably contributed the next upraise of new cases. The point I'm trying to make with my intervention is that a lot of people were pissed *before* the Floyd case (specifically March-May), since Trump/reps failed in every possible way to communicate the severity of the situation - from not addressing denialists, to reporting anti-scientific misinformation.
About the tests: the U.S. unfortunately doesn't seem to publish as many data as other countries (or I couldn't find them?). Not only the number of tests (total and per state) and the number of different individuals tested (as the same person will typically get at least 2 or 3 tests, or even more if s/he's slow to negativize), but also and most importantly the ratio of asymptomatic, mild, hospitalized/severe cases and the total number of cases in ICU.
Regarding the comparison with Europe, yeah, we're more compartmentalized since we're still at least at the moment a set of more-or-less united countries as opposed to states of a federation, but in the end the borders between European countries have been reopened (and in fact I fear we're getting in a second wave also because of that, reopening schools next month will probably give us the killing blow).
But scenes like the one in the video you linked are not seen here where I live since January/February, especially in the period from March to May/June. To give you an idea of the situation during the peak of our first wave: [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg30-g01C6s]
They don't care about George Floyd or anyone else. They are using ANTIFA and BLM as a private club, a social organization for disenchanted people that belong because they don't have the social skills or professional skills to make their life fulfilling.
So, they listen to people that have a little charisma and follow them like sheep because they are weak, lack ambition and personal confidence. Then they run the streets, vandalize property and loot. They are not social activists, they are a bunch of lonely, aimless punks trying to live the thug life.
@DallasCowboysFan Wow. I don't think you could make a more condescending or cliched response if you tried. Not to mention the Antifa thing is almost entirely fiction as presented.
@DallasCowboysFan You have no way of knowing how people feel about it. And it’s unlikely you could ever relate to or understand it. Not everyone who protests vandalizes or loots.
@Northwest I think it is mostly a myth that results from the writing history books after the fact that any social movement has been cohesive and monolithic. That is more a function of what a textbook is for versus reality.
Donald Trump is most definitely at the top. All he has done is cause more even division instead of uniting the nation. Heck even the past two presidents schooled him.
We have 20k cities, and a couple are seeing some rather mild unrest. This is 1% hippies being hippies, and 99% hillbillies in flyover country freaking out like the sky is falling.
Most of all, burgers are soft. More people died in the LA riots than they did during these months of protests, but in the 90s people still had a whisp of testicular fortitude left and didn’t spaz quite this hard.
@revenant Funny, because the violence reduced AFTER Trump backed down on his little power trip attempt to "do something." Being impulsive and reactionary doesn't make right just because you did a thing.
Yes. White supremacist gangs are using this as an excuse to commit violent acts which are blamed on “antifa.” The people protesting George Floyd have been peaceful for the most part.
@Carissimi I do not know what tds is. I do not take part in partisan pop news. you asked about what laws have been broken? let us start with
the Hatch act,
The 1939 Act forbids the intimidation or bribery of voters and restricts political campaign activities by federal employees. It prohibits using any public funds designated for relief or public works for electoral purposes. It forbids officials paid with federal funds from using promises of jobs, promotion, financial assistance, contracts, or any other benefit to coerce campaign contributions or political support. It provides that persons below the policy-making level in the executive branch of the federal government must not only refrain from political practices that would be illegal for any citizen, but must abstain from "any active part" in political campaigns, using this language to specify those who are exempt.
the Emoluments clause of the constitution. Article I, section 9, clause 8 prohibits the President (and other federal officers), without the consent of Congress, from accepting any ‘present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatsoever, from any King, Prince, or foreign state.’
he continues to profit from opulent hotels heavily patronized by foreign governments. He has permitted his family to commercialize the White House. He has compromised the national interest to enrich family wealth on a scale unprecedented in the history of the presidency.”
here is another.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 empowers Congress alone to take the nation from a state of peace to a state of war. That power cannot be delegated.
President Trump has continued to wage or has initiated presidential wars in Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and has used special forces offensively in several African nations,” the memo reads. President Trump has claimed authority to initiate war against any nation or non-state actor in the world—not in self-defense—on his say-so alone, including war against North Korea, Iran, or Venezuela.
( and before you say Obama did it! just because one person robs a bank does not mean it is fine for another to do so)
Trump has also systematically declined to enforce statutory mandates of Congress by arbitrarily and capriciously revoking scores of agency rules ranging from immigration to the Consumer Financial Protection Board to the Environmental Protection Agency in violation of the Administrative Procedure Act or otherwise, He has routinely legislated by executive order in lieu of following constitutionally prescribed processes for legislation.”
18 U.S. Code § 595, when a government official, “in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President.”
he hired illegal immigrant (polish) workers for the construction of the New York Trump Tower.
214 million of legislatively appropriated Defense Department aid for Ukraine without obtaining authorization from Congress. “Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,” the Government Accountability Office concluded.
Contempt of Congress.Appropriations Clause, Revenue Clause
The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall “be deprived of life … without due process of law.”
President Trump claims power, like his immediate two predecessors, to act as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner to kill American citizens or non-citizens alike, on or off a battlefield, whether or not engaged in hostilities, whether or not accused of crime, and whether or not posing an imminent threat of harm that would trigger a right of preemptive self-defense,
Article I, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution requires all revenue measures to originate in the House of Representatives. it means he cannot take money from say Military housing, and re-apply it to the border wall
as for a list of crimes while NOT president. we will see all of that later
Do you think it’s more sinister than protests over George Floyd?
I answered the way I intended; I don’t consider civil rights protests “sinister” at all. So yes, I consider white supremacy, which seems to have reappeared, much more sinister.
@bijouxbroussard White supremacy is not in this question. You read what you want to into this. You look for what’s not there. I don’t like how you reacted to a valid question and bringing your baggage into this.
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People tend to look for more coherence than human nature naturally affords. Most people on the political fringes are opportunists. Scavengers. A single issue becomes a springboard to really any private personal interest, even if that is just burning up something or stealing something. Most people don't give a shit about George Floyd.
So .... where were the headlines about the arrest of LeGend Taliferro's killer?
Why is there a reluctance to acknowledgment that there are black, thug murders as well as bad cops? Why the lack of balance? Why the reluctance to say ALL black lives matter, including those who are victimized, raped, murdered and assaulted by black people?
Oh wait? These aren't all Black people demanding whatever it is they are demanding. I see as many white faces as black faces. Rather than a BLM protest, maybe this should be described as a leftist insurrection.?
There's multiple things involved. There's the protesters, then there's a bunch of hoodlums being hoodlums, then there's people coming in for the purpose of stirring the shit. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't multiple groups of stirrers, each with their own agendas. Add to that a bunch of confused people who don't know the difference, or don't want to know.
Yes when you consider the tens of thousands of infants, children, and young adults killed by young black me in the last 40 years without a peep. This crap is ridiculous. Every time some idiot cop kills a black person, thousands of people get a free shopping spree. There is no rhyme or reason- just pure primal madness and low IQ's.
