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Do you believe white privilege is a huge problem?

chuck7882 · 61-69, M Best Comment
I grew up in a poor white family that struggled to make ends meet. So I don't quite understand the concept of white privelege
Gouzi · 26-30, M
@bijouxbroussard go eat grass hippie
@Gouzi Name calling, because you're wrong and have nothing else, right ? Right.
Gouzi · 26-30, M
@bijouxbroussard nope. I just think that at some point our values or attitude on this subject is so different thats there is no point in talking. So, i called u a hippie to release the tension.

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I don't think you're gonna find a lot of decent answers, considering most of SW is white. People don't want to admit that they have it better than others. I don't know how to say this in English, because there isn't a translation that isn't awkward, but people make themselves look like they've suffered a lot to try to make it seem that white privilege isn't a thing. White privilege isn't being rich, or feeling like things are better now and we get along. It doesn't have anything to do with getting along with people that are non-white. It's a systematic issue in a lot of Western countries because its creation was by the white man for the white man.
The system was created to give them an advantage, which is the entire problem. You can find countless studies that will tell you that yeah, White people have more opportunities, White people typically have better living conditions, White people typically have higher paying jobs. Not because they're bad people or because their race makes them better, but because the system was created for their upward mobility.

You can't tell me that the typical White man does not have it better than the typical Black man, because that would be a lie. You can't tell me that the typical White man has it worse than the typical Brown man, because that would be a lie.

This entire time, non-whites have been fighting to be treated as human beings.

The reason people can't see that white privilege isn't a thing is because they look at it with their White frame of mind. They see things that they have already, and don't see that as a privilege, they see that as a normality. It isn't an advantage in any way to them because they've had it their entire lives.

When they see efforts to combat this by fighting for minorities, they see it as a threat to their power. They don't wonder why they have that power in the first place.

I live in the U.S., and this country was built on creating advantages for Whites over non-Whites.


A white man can be poor, but it isn't because he's white.

A black man can be poor, and it can very well be because his ancestors were stripped of the opportunity to form roots here. To buy land, to create businesses, to be put in positions of authority. And although that can happen now, there's still an imbalance.

There are hundreds of situations where White people in some way have the advantage, and non-Whites have the disadvantage.


The police will give the White man the benefit of the doubt. White people get to learn about their history in school because it is seen as important. White people get to see themselves represented in media, in office, everywhere.

On the news, you still see
"___ was the first black woman to do ____."


White people don't have to deal with dumb stereotypes every day. That you're dirty, and lazy, and stupid. That you're predisposed to be violent and uneducated because it's in your genes, when that's not true.

You can say "Oh, I don't see colour." When that isn't even the problem. All people want is for you to see their colour and accept them, not pretend that their colour and history is invisible to you.


It's a privilege to think race isn't important. It's a privilege to not worry about whether or not your 14 year old child could be shot in the street because there's so much hate for black people. It's a privilege to not have people tell you to go back to your country when you were literally born here. It's a privilege to have the opportunity to accumulate wealth because you don't have to struggle every day to put food on the table for your family. White people live in better neighbourhoods because their parents can afford it.
White people can get into better universities because their parents could afford to get them extra tutoring, pay for their tuition to a prep school, and get piano lessons from the ages of 4-18.

You can honestly find so many examples, and it's ridiculous for people to be blind to it because they get defensive.
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@Gouzi Then how do you know all this is true? & Just beacuse i experience racism just mean that its actually racist. I can be wrong about my experiences.


How do I know all what is true? Elaborate.

And yes, just because you think you experience racism doesn't mean that was the intent of the other person, but that doesn't make the bias, prejudice, or antaganism disappear, which is the racism itself. It doesn't have to be intentional.


Further, how do they know that experience is reflective of a problem with the SYSTEM of the country. System means laws, right? As laws we can refer to and find their problems. If its systematic, we can find the flaw in the system to correct it. What part of the system disregards other groups? 

It could be reflective of a problem within the system of a country. System can mean laws, but it also means who has politival power, and who is in a position of authority. You'll find that people in office don't always reflect the actual demographics of the population they represent. The majority of them are white males, which, you know, would make sense if it wasn't 30% of the U.S. population in 65% of those positions.


If you have evidence of inequalities, what is the systematic cause of those inequalities? White privilege doesn't refer to any specific systematic fault.


I've previously mentioned some inequalities. As for the systematic cause of those inequalities, look at my answer above. You'll find your reason. It's because people tend to look out for people within their group. People with political influence don't always fight for people that don't have the same background they do.


Or is their experience just indicative of a racial tension that is just a part of human nature. That is not because of white vs whatever race... but just because people are human.


It probably is indicative of racial tension that is part of human nature. But there's a difference between being born with a bias towards your own people, and dying with that bias without working to acknowledge it.
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@Abrienda ...😬
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@Spoiledbrat I'm just trying to word it gently. White people can have problems. There are White people that are born poor, and that suffer massively. Just like people that aren't white are born poor and suffer, too. I don't like the term "white privilege" because it makes people defensive. It's hard to see "privilege" in your situation when you've been struggling yout whole life and when you've lived a life of hardship. It can feel like an attack that questions your achievements.


The problem isn't that White people have benefits in society. It's that others don't have those benefits, if that makes sense. I'd like to live in a place where a black mother doesn't have to worry like crazy about her son getting shot on his way home, or where a Mexican girl from a poor neighbourhood can dream about getting into an Ivy league without being discouraged by the fact that 50% of students at Princeton are white, and only 7% are Hispanic.

Unfortunately, people still have negative opinions of people that aren't White, and that's a product of history, not of any group of people in particular. I don't think saying "White Privilege" is meant to blame people, but it's meant to describe a disadvantage someone else has because they aren't white and aren't as likely to have certain opportunities.
CuddleFeesh · 31-35, M
White privilege? You gotta be kidding me. Theres no such thing. Tell that to the whites I see on the street literally everyday.
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@CuddleFeesh And when they clean up, they can go places and be treated with respect that other people are never given.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Can I get all philosophical on you and question the framing if the question?

Power is multi-faceted. You can be a poor white guy and have less 'privilege' than a rich black person. That doesn't dismiss the point though and you'd probably have slightly more life opportunities than an economically disadvantaged minority female.

Understand power as something with many faces. If one exists, it doesn't disprove the others.
StraCat · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Well said.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@StraCat thanks
Abrienda · 26-30, F
White privilege? As someone who is half-white, I can tell you it is a fabricated non-existing "problem" used by members of other races who are unable to compete for whatever reason to allow themselves to not face their own shortcomings.

Hasn't the United States had AFFIRMATIVE ACTION in hiring and education for over TWO GENERATIONS? And NOW the reason people aren't making it is because of "white" privilege, when in fact the odds have been rigged against whites (and I might add Asians)for more than 40 years? How can there even BE such a thing as "white privilege" when a BLACK American beats a WHITE American for president because WHITES voted for him?

Only a civilization in suicidal decay could embrace such a notion - one that is fundamentally racist, by the way.
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@Abrienda very well said! 👍🏻
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@Abrienda BTW … why is it Asians in the USA neve complain about "white privilege?" Two reasons. One, Asians (my other half) do not have a built-in inferiority complex resulting from a lack of any significant achievements now or in the past, and two because in the USA Asians are discriminated against for the benefit of other races IN THE NAME OF RACIAL EQUALITY, so we know its a sham.
It's just another leftist fabrication. White privilege left the scene decades ago. If anything, it is now the other way around. Especially when it comes to government assistance , housing, and employment.
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@puck61 there ya go!
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Miklee02 · 51-55, F
@Waymore same except living in upper Midwest 😉
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@Waymore Well said and doubtless true of ALL races EVERYWHERE! I am sick of this Nazi-like use of race to score points against others … done not by people like me "on the right" but by Leftists and so-called "progressives!

As for "white privilege" in the USA, not a lot of white privilege in West Virginia or rural Kentucky or Tennessee, I hear. Lot of black privilege in Hollywood and AT EVERY AMERICAN UNIVERISTY THAT TAKES GOVERNMENT MONEY THOUGH, I hear...resulting in active DESCRINATION AGAINST ASIANS WITH HIGHER ACHIEMENT!

But then some racism and some "privilege" is better than others. Just ask the next Democrat/Leftists who uses the phrase "old WHITE men" - racist AND sexist! - about it.
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Budwick · 70-79, M
Only for the left.

Everyone else knows it's a made up thing.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Abrienda Is everything alright at home?? You have obviously got serious issues.
Very sad. Try counselling.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@Harriet03 No...its just that you accused me of being a man - twice - so I replied I would get verified if you did...it was YOU who made the issue out of it, not me, with your stupid accusation - well I held up to my part of the bargain and now since it was YOU who made the ugly accusation and did not live up to it you have proven yourself TO BE A LIAR AND CATFISH AND I INTEND TO MAKE YOU EAT YOUR VICIOUS ATTACK EVERY GODDAMNED TIME I SEE YOUR LYING USERNAME USED!

Took me less than an hour to submit and one week of waiting for the verification. So
what's the problem, "Harriet" with the TWO "miracle" births (yah they would be that!)...don't have enough time? Or don't want to shave your beard?

Thought you were pretty clever pulling that one me...but it hasn't worked out so well for you, has it? And everything at my home and love life is fine
and obviously better than YOURS since I don't need to create a user name/profile claiming to be a sex I am not and catfish people on social media for whatever sick reason you have for doing so. So yeah I'm doing fine - thanks for your concern, creep.

So get USED to it, Harold. Get VERIFIED like we agreed after you called me a man ...or delete your profile. Because you fucked with the wrong girl, pervert.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
@Abrienda You are not worth the time or effort.
Just making yourself look foolish! 🤷‍♀️
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
I think "white privelege" is a term coined by activists.
And that term holds a polarising dimension to it, which kinda materialises itself every time the term is spoken out. And then the people that use the term [i](those are less radical then the activists that use it in a pretty radical way)[/i], need to write down several chapters to explain to people what the term means for them and that it's not really what people think about it when they hear it the first time.

And so the entire "white privelege" conversation often turns up as a huge dumpster fire of people sticking up middle fingers to eachother. Team against team, human against human... who all feel adressed because of "identity". I don't think this "white privelege" idea helps the conversation to move forward, and because of it's polarising characteristics it denies critical evaluation of cultural tendencies that are deeply rooted in society [i](mostly in uconcious ways)[/i] and cause measurable consequences that aren't favorable to the social fabric as a whole.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Ryannnnnn Well, I still consider myself on the left... but I'm not a team player. The left is just as diverse as the right. Not everyone agrees, people have diffrent ideas about things. I don't ally myself with a group as much, neither do I uncriticaly take over their ideas. 🤷‍♂️ And there are fucked up people, ideas and radicals on both sides. 🤷‍♂️ It's this caricaturization of an entire side of the political spectrum, that's creating these polarisations. A bunch of people just think that "left" and "right" consists as a charicature of the meme culture. They are quite literally living the meme, fighting against windmills of their own creation. It's fascinating and sickening at the same time from my perspective, and it doesnt allow a lot of quality conversations to take place. Just a bunch of tribes giving the other the finger because of what they perceive the other tribe to be.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
@Kwek00 That's a good way to be tbh, and i totally agree.
To be critical of everything, then you can be certain of your choices and not become the mouthpiece for either an ideology, or like you said, a characature.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Ryannnnnn It's more then that... it's not "either" ideology. This "either" thing is a pretty anglosaxon way of doing things, because most of the time, people have a 2-party system going on in their country. Two-parties that absorb all branches and ideologies from either the left and right side... and both sides absorbing the center. This is a consequence on how the voting system works.

If you live in other parts of the world with a more proportional voting systems and where in every district seats are devided amongst all parties according to their political weight in votes. You'll see the diffrences of right and left wing parties. These 2 blobs that you see in the UK and America contain all the same people that belong to such ideologies... but they have less chance of expressing themselves. In those two blobs there is also a lot of inn-fighting because certain strains of progressives or conservatives aren't that complementary with eachother. The political landscape ain't binairy.
Pfuzylogic · M
@curiosi Leftist term. 🤭
trump needs your moral support now!
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@curiosi Yes...it IS racist fundamentally as I said. How can people not see that?

And WHY if "white privilege" exists are Asians not complaining about it? Asians ARE suffering from discrimination in the USA, not from "white privilege" but because of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION programs which quota them out of jobs and university positions they deserve ON MERIT!

The whole "white privilege" thing is just stupid, illogical, race-based hate.
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I'd say - yes it's a problem.

One problem is that those who have the privilege don't spot that they do. They aren't female and have to suffer the sexual harassment that many do. They aren't of colour and find that they see doors shut in their faces that are open to the white privileged. The BBC recently did a documentary following black graduates leaving the best universities. They consistently failed to get interviews or the jobs that their white counterparts did.

BTW - just cos white privilege is a problem doesn't mean that class privilege within white society still isn't what I'd is a [b]huge[/b] problem. In the UK the most discriminated against minority are working class and there is no legislation about class discrimination.
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I sure wish I had some privilege.. I’m white and have to work like a dog to survive... and I dont know any white privileged people either! 🙄
Maybe the failure to acknowledge it, but I think the privilege itself pales in comparison to lots of other problems.
DestroyerOfIdeologies · 22-25, M
All I know is I'll try my best to be good to everyone whether they be white, black, asian or mexican, whether this white privilege is true or not.

I mean I might come across a black man who is poor because Mexicans and Middle Easterns have flourished in his city and have virtually taken over the local businesses and it was harder for him to compete and make money, and I'll be kind to him, and to Mexicans and to Middle Easterns, and also to the whites who many have tried to help many black people as this is what I've often witnessed in cities near me.

Peace everyone. Perhaps I myself have my own prejudices about certain people, but I can always recall kindness from people in every different race, age, sex, socioeconomic background, religion, etc. I hope I can give in return.
It’s *not about being rich or poor. @DestroyerOfIdeologies
I don’t even like talking about it because it’s not my place but it definitely is a thing. @DestroyerOfIdeologies
DestroyerOfIdeologies · 22-25, M
@Spoiledbrat so you're saying you don't have privelege to talk about white privilege because you're white? Lol, just kidding!
Carver · 31-35, F
I’d say black privilege is an even bigger issue today.
4meAndyou · F
Nope. It's a popular talking point used by a-holes who want the non-white vote, and that is all. The systematic destruction of the white man is the result, and the system is being set up so that the white men can't complain about it without being accused of racism.

I heard a black political commentator gloating about it last night. She said that by the year 2040 white people would be the minority and that white men were FRIGHTENED of what would happen then.
JT123 · M
I'm white and I sure as hell haven't seen this "white privilege "
🙄 @JT123
TexChik · F
Only to liberals who’s attempts to con minorities are failing .
What's "white privilege?"
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Budwick [quote]"The harder I work, the successful I get."[/quote] This is largely orthogonal, and you probably should have figured out by now that working [i]smarter[/i] is the real ticket to get ahead - but largely yes, that holds true. Most white people who reached a high level of success worked very hard (and smart) to get where they are. Having an [i]advantage[/i] doesn’t mean anyone gets to coast, you still have to put the time in.

It’s kind of funny tbh, being able to believe that nothing in your life has been affected by your skin color is a classic example of white privilege 😂
Budwick · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Are you white?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Budwick Yup
Any privilege is a huge problem. pursuit of luxury and pleasure destroyed the world as of the industrial revolution indefinitely. All there is left is for the other shoe to drop.
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
[c=#7700B2]no[/c]
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Uh. I wouldn't put it like that.

I think racism is a problem. White privilege is just the term used to show that white people don't have to deal with some shit that non-white people do. No cop has ever carded me for my skin colour.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula REALLY? Is that why Jessie Smollet had to hire two NIGERIANS to fake a hate crime?

That is absolutely not true. Where is your source for that? You have none. In fact you never seem to do any research just repeat what you are told by the media.

Unlike you I know how to do a search...

fakehatecrimes.org
www.fakehatecrimes.org

or maybe you caught this -


Activist Explains It’s Okay For Blacks To Attack Jews ...
https://defconnews.com/2018/12/05/activist-explains-its-okay-for-blacks-to-attack-jews...

Jews are being targeted, say residents of these communities, by members of non-white ethnic groups who see Jews as symbols of gentrification in their neighborhoods. The Forward piece then took an apologetic turn as they tried to excuse the black people who are attacking Jews...

And I am SURE you read about the peaceful Somali immigrants and their friendly attitude towards their white and Asian neighbors in Minneapolis whose taxes paid for them to be relocated there, yes?

So, gang of "youths," attack white people at train stop ...
www.usmessageboard.com/threads/so-gang-of-youths-attack-white-people-at-train-stop...
16/09/40 · So, gang of "youths," attack white people at train stop with hammers and metal bars.... Discussion in ' Current Events ' started by 2aguy , May 21, 2019 . Facebook...

How about some VIDEOS?


Now then please find me the REAL cases of white or Asians or Jews attacking blacks, please, like you claim, including videos.


"Meanwhile, I have never been carded because I am a member of a racial group police are less likely to treat as criminals."

In YOUR OPINION. Again...what you FEEL what you BELIEVE are not proof of anting but your bias and inability to entertain facts that contradict them.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@Abrienda Are you trying to argue that Jussie Smollnett and this idiot activist have proven that all racism is fake? I'm not sure what you hope to convince me of.

Also this isn't an opinion.

Carding is when police stop and question you despite no crime being investigated.

Data shows they stop minorities at far higher rates. Data I have personally produced in some cases.

This isn't about intention, it's about behaviour.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@CountScrofula I am not offering any arguments. I am stating facts which you choose to deny. And a claim without proof is only an opinion...what else would YOU call it?

As for Smollet, there is a whole LIST of examples I attached. If you are unaware of the plethora of fake race hate crimes then it is a willful ignorance because of would upset your preconceived notions which are based on...what, exactly? WHERE are YOUR cases of white-on-black hate crimes in USA? You have none.

In point of fact the majority of race hate crimes are committed by blacks against white, especially Jews, and Asians... sorry to upset you with facts but you should be used to that by now.

I know you are a nice man but you only have received knowledge from the media to support your claims or your "opinion" while I have facts.

However, you have the habit of making a claim without factual backup, I refute it with factual material, you then ask another question unrelated to the claim you made which I refuted, which prevents you from admitting you were wrong in the first place.

That is dishonest and you know it. Now that I have explained the game, please stop playing it.

Have videos, too.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXS3fiSnhA]

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCPvc5j5WJw]
Not for me!! Yay! 'White privilege' rules!!

Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@EugenieLaBorgia looks like green privilege lol
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the people who are saying white privilege doesn't exist do not truly understand how it is to live as a person of colour in a country ruled by WHITE people.
fuck outta here
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@SW-User that’s crazy hun
monte3 · 70-79, M
Privilege does come from power and economic opportunity and most important functional parents. So absolutely anyone born poor with crummy parents is disadvantaged, no matter what their color. That said I am convinced that a big part of the Trump phenomenon are whites who do not feel privileged enough. Someone said “when you have been privileged equality feels like oppression”. Whites claiming they are victims drives me crazy.
In my experience, no. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but in limited cases
Pfuzylogic · M
I am white and find it to be a real problem.
Gouzi · 26-30, M
lol. I didn't expect so many replies.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@Gouzi It is a good post. It shows who the real race hate merchants are ...like the VERY DECENT @iehyue.
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In some places it is. Just like any other privilege.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
It's the same thing in most countries where you're in a group minority. There might be a subconscious bias, so it is a problem but it's not something you can just change and it isn't limited to one race of people, depending on the location.
It is a very huge problem in our society, and if you don't think so then you are blind and need to open your eyes. Just look at the history of America's justice system. Need I say more?
[big][c=#BF0080]NO ![/c][/big]
[c=#359E00]we don't have white people here, it's not our problem and our concern[/c]
We have a diversity here that a lot of countries don’t have. @YukikoAmagi
@Spoiledbrat [c=#359E00]in this kind of world, diversity create problem than benefit[/c]
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
No, not exactly - it's how things are supposed to work. Just, you know, for everybody.
Pfuzylogic · M
Does China have a large enough white population so that it is a factor?
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For me it's first world country privileges
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@SW-User Why should they not have the privilege? It's called success and it wasn't a gift but EARNED.
StraCat · 41-45, M
Well it's one part of a huge problem.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
Another way to needlessly divide and conquer. We're all more alike than different.

 
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