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MethDozer · M
True capitalism, not corporatism. That said not everything should be brought to the market. Academia and medicine have no place there.
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@MethDozer We aren't exactly discussing how many sapphires each person can have...
MethDozer · M
@SW-User No but real currency with an actual value. A valued commodity, or the currency is just nothing and the whim of the state and or banks.
Fiat currency is just a scam.
room101 · 51-55, M
@MethDozer First of all, it’s not based on location. The location simply defines the confines of the region. Just like it does in every other scenario. Whether that scenario be the sovereign territory of an embassy, city states such as Vatican City, sovereign military bases the world over and, a variety of similar situations. Second, it’s not a shadow government. The City of London Corporation has a certain amount of autonomy but, that autonomy is granted under the auspices of the British government. Third, foreign banks (and foreign businesses in general) often obtain special incentives. If they are big enough and have things that “local” governments deems to be attractive. Capitalism at its finest and what all right wing Conservatives hold as sacrosanct. Fourth, Jersey is in the archipelago collectively known as the Channel Islands, which is part of the UK. So, yes, the Channel Islands does have a relationship with the Crown, just like all of the UK does. And there’s nothing shady about that relationship. Regardless of what we may think of the Monarchy.

Corruption of the Crown? Is that supposed to mean something? You know that we're no longer in the 17th Century right?

Did you actually read, and understand, the article?

Keraunos · 36-40, M
Honestly, this late in the game, they are both just words into which anyone feels entitled to inject whatever meanings they like. I've yet to meet anyone with an even remotely adequate understanding of human history generally who would take either without several grains of salt. If a policy or administrative technique works, go with it until it doesn't, I do not much care what phantom abstraction other people regard it as "belonging to".

A person who has gotten so sucked into an abstract model that they've lost sight of it as a tool and have started to believe they're not allowed to use other models usually ought to be kept a hundred miles from the nearest levers of power. Unfortunately, I can't think of the last time they actually were, but it still works out alright sometimes anyway in a "broken clock is right twice a day" sort of way.
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@Keraunos still, are you going to answer the question? 🙂
Paloma · 26-30, F
@Keraunos Heh, the evidence should inform the ideology, and not the other way around :) You don't need to answer the question, I admire your approach
Keraunos · 36-40, M
@Paloma Thanks. I'm pretty sure he was just kidding around with me a bit, I don't think he really considered my response invalid.
Technically, for any society have a good standard of living, a measure of socialism is necessary. Ideally we should all chip in for education, medicine, infrastructure, civil defense, and care of those less fortunate. I don't consider countries like Norway or Finland to be "socialist" and the citizens of those countries don't like being labeled 'socialists' either. When I think of 'socialism' I think of countries like North Korea and Venezuela. Common sense collectivism can go hand in hand with capitalism. All political economic systems are only as good as the people who wield them.

In short, capitalism. I personally hate the whole 'Marxist' thing. It's just political black lipstick in the west. A way to shock and upset people. Again, there are a lot of kids out there screaming for socialism and / or communism, because they know that's going to get the most intense reaction.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@puck61 Perfect answer right here...
@fazer1k Even a broken watch is right twice a day! 😁
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@puck61 Ha! That's good to know. 👍
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S O C I A L I S M
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@SW-User I'm an anarcho-sybdicalist.
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@CountScrofula love u guys tbh. Syndicalism is also dope
Chaoshead · 22-25, M
@SW-User You Mean:[b] T H O T I S M[/b]
RedFlower · F
capitalism is great for a poor country that needs economic growth.
socialism is great for an already rich country to keep and distribute its wealth.

sadly all socialist countries started in war driven economy after some kind of rebellion which never worked. and all capitalist countries the rich wont give up their priviledge, you cant vote away the rich.
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@RedFlower The interesting thing is that communist countries are actually less socialist than most of those we consider to be capitalist.
Capitalism. Why is this even a question
Paloma · 26-30, F
@lulaluboo I think it's a worthwhile question. There are a lot of people who say they prefer socialism.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
NoYou · 26-30, M
Capitalistic scum bag here and proud
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@NoYou If the workers own the means of production why are they not being paid accordingly? Poverty is rising while the rich drown on their billions.

Yes. All men will be equal. To each according to his need and ability. If you are a great leader and entrepreneur in capitalism then u can be too in socialism. Socialism relies on merit. All will have opportunities. Something capitalism does not do. The poor drown
NoYou · 26-30, M
Have you seen the way most people spend money? I have friends who literally have $300 shoes and work at Whole Foods and I literally don’t even own $100 ones. People spend money on stuff that depreciates in value and gives them no long term value such as clothes, cars etc. nor do they want to do anything special for them to get paid a lot. where as the rich invest or they save up until they can invest. It’s quite simple as that. I wasn’t born rich. Hell I was born in by the slums in India it was through capitalism me and my family got here.
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@NoYou through socialism you wouldn't have been born in the slums at all. We are all equal. Socialism will give to him who needs and according to his ability to produce.

Capitalism must always have someone at the bottom. Otherwise its not capitalism. Someone must be oppressed and exploited. With socialism you would be free to create without the boundaries of money. You create for humanity and pleasure. Not money
BatRinseRepeat · 31-35, F
Capitalism - But with a stronger social safety net.
@BatRinseRepeat I agree. There has to be a measure of collectivism. To a certain extent, we are our brothers keeper.
Allelse · 36-40, M
Neither to their fullest extents. Best to find a nice middle ground.
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Capitalism. I like money.
MethDozer · M
@SW-User 1 first tier city. NYC is dump as all urban centers are. Urbanization is pollution in it's highest form.
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@MethDozer I like the pollution then... Shanghai is very definitely not a dump. But my point is that you don't actually know anything about China, so stop trashing it.
MethDozer · M
@SW-User oh the smog warnings and black clouds are a myth and the run down dumps out side their first tier and second tier cities as well. Same for their crumbling buildings that are all.show or the ghost towns created by developers. China is a magic land of virtue and promise where people don't piss in the streets and use gutter oil.


Urbanization is destructive and our greatest defect as creatures. It's disgusting and unnatural way to live. People packed like cockroaches and disconnected to the land and soil.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Socialism. But the real stuff. Not that fake socialism you see on TV.
Chaoshead · 22-25, M
Capitalism: not even close.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Capitalism all the way
Johnbtexas · 46-50, M
Capitalism!
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fazer1k · 56-60, M
Socialism is merely capitalism with some public ownership and social controls put in place to protect people - usually those with the least means. All societies are socialist to some degree.
JimboUk · 31-35, M
Capitalism already won!! How many times must Socialism fail before people come up with a better idea? Come on people
@JimboUk It's a 'leftist' thing. They love abject failure, economic hardship, and civil unrest. They 'really' do! I'm serious as a myocardial infarction.
It doesn't have to be the one or the other. The world isn't black or white, there are a lot of shades in between.
Cierzo · M
Socialism for basic goods and services (food, housing, health...), capitalism for the rest.
sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
our hybrid system is doing well.. w/o interference from trump.

:P


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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
We have yet to have either. And I hope we never do.
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Capitalism.
AnonymousJSS · 22-25, F
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Capitalism.
Free Market based pricing ... and capital allocated by the private sector
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Socialism with a small "s".
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Capitalism!!!
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HeyRouben · 41-45, M

 
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