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If The 538 Presidential Poll....

......is correct and discounting the margin of error. And the election were today. Harris would receive 297 electoral votes to Trump's 241.

I know that's a big if but I'd rather be where Harris is than where Trump is.
SW-User
My prediction. Kamala wins with Pennsylvania Michigan and Wisconsin, but loses Arizona and Georgia. Oh, and it goes without saying that Trump will refuse to concede.
ron122 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Did you do him yet?🤣
@SW-User Lichtman uses fundamentals that have nothing to do with polling. He was wrong in 2016 only because we're stuck with the Electoral College. The same thing could happen this year. Silver uses aggregates of polls and some fundamentals to come up with what basically amounts to a weather report.

Electoral-vote.com only uses state-level polls, averaging the ones for the past week. They consider any difference of 4% or less to be within the margin of error. As of today, they have Harris at 257, Trump at 230, with 51 tied. They've been fairly accurate. Their thinking is that errors in any one poll will cancel out if several are used. Generally, swing states are polled often, especially as the election approaches, so they have a lot to work with. They do have wonky results sometimes, like right now they have Indiana as "barely Republican" based on a poll in April that had Trump only 4 points ahead of Biden. If anyone bothers to poll Indiana again, presumably Trump and Harris will be further apart and the state will show as the solid Republican one it should be.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@LeopoldBloom You turned me on to electoral-vote.com a few years ago, and I read it every day without fail. V and Z are great!
@jehova 2016 is why the electoral college exists
jehova · 31-35, M
@NativePortlander1970 he lost. Therefore, it exists so the obvious loser still gets the position. Thats not democracy thats bs, but reality. Welcome to america stuck in the late 1700s adjusting for the representation of slaveholders. Slavery is over but that institution isnt.
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bookerdana · M
Allan Lichtman,who has correctly picked nine of the last ten elections said Harris will prevail...it based on 13 keys,not polling
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@bookerdana His model also predicts the winner of the popular vote, not the Electoral College, so be careful in putting too much confidence in his prediction.
bookerdana · M
@windinhishair I'm not confident but I am voting
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@bookerdana We all need to vote as if our lives depend on it. Because they do.
graphite · 61-69, M
Meanwhile... https://www.foxnews.com/media/polling-guru-nate-silver-predicts-trump-has-64-chance-winning-electoral-college-latest-forecast

Headline: Polling guru Nate Silver predicts Trump has 64% chance of winning the Electoral College in latest forecast
@MoveAlong In 2016 pollsters overwhelmingly said Killary would landslide, we all know what happened.
jehova · 31-35, M
@NativePortlander1970 she won but not by landslide so like youve indicated the popular vote doesnt mean shit (translation much of anything).
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Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
She should get all of the electoral votes. What's wrong with people?
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Tastyfrzz Some people are "Muricans"😷
jehova · 31-35, M
Thats good. I wish theyd just get rid of the electoral college waste of money and too much uncertainty.
@jehova 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
SW-User
@NativePortlander1970 A Republican thinking they defend it after January 6th! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
SW-User
@NativePortlander1970



And when asked to present evidence in over 60 lawsuits in federal court regarding their “massive evidence of widespread voter fraud” Republican lawyers came up with goose eggs, and this in front of a number of judges Trump himself appointed. Turns out that sworn officers of the court can’t lie about having evidence when they have no evidence.
SW-User
Never trust polls! It seems from observing from UK that, love him or loathe him, Trump is struggling to lay a glove on Harris at the moment. Obviously, it all got much harder since Biden left the race as he was such an easy target. She is tricky as she never actually debates just churns out her couple or prepared lines. Long way to go, i think he wil recover and scrape over the line. But, who knows!
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SW-User Is that really your take from that debate? Or is that what they pay you fo say??😷
SW-User
@whowasthatmaskedman If you had an ounce of intelligence you might wonder why "they",whoever "they are, might have the slightest interest in my opinion. It's my observation, as i clearly stated.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SW-User I accept that it is your opinion, to which you have every right. I just wanted to know if you arrived and it independently . Or if you had the excuse of being paid to hold it..😷
Yeah and it's an average of a bunch of different polls, so you'd think the margin of error is lower.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@JonLosAngeles66 You would think so, but the problem is that each pollster makes adjustments to the actual polling, and each pollster does this differently, so the results can be averaged but the different methodologies make if impossible to accurately determine the total margin of error.
The momentum is definitely in her favor, but as hard as it is to believe, the election could be won or lost tomorrow night.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
More importantly, who will control Congress and the Senate..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom And a nation divided against itself cannot stand. So it will be displaced by one that isnt paralysed.😷
@whowasthatmaskedman It wasn't that long ago that we weren't as divided as we are now. My hope is that once Trump is out of the picture, there will be a realignment and we won't see as much division. One thing that would help would be to get rid of partisan gerrymanders. Right now, maybe 20 House districts are even competitive, and it may not be that many.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom I hope you are right. But I fear you are not. Trump exploited the fracturing of America and picked the easiest marks to exploit. Social pressure and fear have been pushed to control the behaviour of Americans since McCarthy. And its been coOpted by Big Money and the politicians they bought to keep Americans from uniting against the exploitation from within. It sounds like a conspracy and maybe thats what it is.. Business gets away with murder quite literally, and gets a tax break in doing it..😷
akindheart · 61-69, F
depends on what poll you look at. from what i have seen, Trump is winning. there is no way she got that much support in a month or 2. she is very unpopular and has accomplished nothing.
MoveAlong · 70-79, M
@akindheart 538 uses an average of many different polls. If you differ from other MAGAs and are curious about things you can see how 538 arrives at their numbers here: https://fivethirtyeight.com/methodology/how-our-polling-averages-work/
jehova · 31-35, M
@MasterLee to be fair trump doesnt actually have any money.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@jehova oh gee wiz wally
jehova · 31-35, M
@MasterLee also fdr made industries public.
Colormegone · 70-79, M

Unverified, but sounds right.
You? But you're King of the Britons...
Watch Harris try to bring her emotional support Tim on stage for the debate tomorrow night.
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