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Nazi memorabilia: is it wrong to collect it?

What would you think of a person who collects Nazi memorabilia?

Are you interested in history? I am interested in all history. Does it matter if you collect something that is considered controversial? It is, after all, part of history.
deadgerbil · 26-30
I love history and it would be cool to collect it. Not interested in spending the money tho lol. There's a big difference between loving history and the veneration of bad ideas. Lots of people cross that line while trying to act like they care about history
deadgerbil · 26-30
@HannahSky learn the nuance
HannahSky · F
@deadgerbil I meant you're cringe
HannahSky · F
@deadgerbil slippery slope with that fascination people have
Richard65 · M
I find collecting Nazi memorabilia for the sake of collecting very distasteful, but if people hadn't collected it then a lot of it might have been lost to history. People tend to understand history significantly through genuine artefacts, so I'm thankful some people did preserve Nazi items, so it's helpful to teach the next generation exactly what the artefacts represent and how abhorrent Nazi ideology is. I think it's more powerful for a youngster to look at a Nazi uniform in a museum, whilst learning about the people who wore it and what they stood for.
Anniedlr · 26-30, F
Nope not if it reminds you of the horrors of the Nazi regime that need to be avoided in the future
Hard to say. I couldn't keep any of it personally because of the darkness the item holds.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
I have to admit, I do find Nazi stuff fascinating. Remember the Nazis designed this stuff to appeal to people (particularly their dark sides). However, I would never buy or own such objects; it would make me feel dirty. Just owning it would bother my conscience.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@JimboSaturn
I have to admit, I do find Nazi stuff fascinating.
One Nazi stuff that we brought back to the US is our interstate highways. Those highways were the reason the Germans were so effective in moving their armies, supplies, and military equipment to overcome resistance. The autobahns in Germany have no speed limits.

Another Nazi stuff is rocket engineering. The Germans opened the way for us to move into space.

The Germans are definitely a superior culture. Can't blame them for viewing themselves as the master race.

The Russians are formidable also.
Anniedlr · 26-30, F
@sree251 Actually the German Rail Network was more important in moving war supplies than the road network.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Anniedlr You could be right. I never thought about that.
Morvoren · F
I’d say not so long as it doesn’t become your adoptive mindset.

People are crazy about romans, but when you think about it they’re just a bunch of guys who got rich in slavery and genocide.

So collecting historical objects is fine, letting it become a mindset or glamorising it is a no-no.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
For the longest time in my life, I've been fascinated with history and all kinds of things which are nowadays considered to be "old-fashioned."

It always amazed me, looking at things and reading about what it was like to live in an age far removed from our own.
JPWhoo · 36-40, M
We have photos and textbooks that ensure that the story of the Holocaust will never be forgotten. As I see it, by collecting Nazi artifacts one is glorifying Nazism. Anyone you show that collection to, you’re sending them the message that you think this is good.

I see it as analogous to Confederate statues in front of courthouses and other government buildings. Statues don’t merely tell a story, they are used to glorify their subjects. Those Confederate statues send the message that the people in control here still believe these men are heroes, and the subtext is that blacks are not welcome there.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@JPWhoo
We have photos and textbooks that ensure that the story of the Holocaust will never be forgotten. As I see it, by collecting Nazi artifacts one is glorifying Nazism. Anyone you show that collection to, you’re sending them the message that you think this is good.

You have your perspective, and others have theirs. The German people, led by Hitler, strove for the betterment of their fatherland. WW2 was the result of many conflicts within Europe. It was not about Jews. The modern highway is a Nazi artifact, and so is the rocket that is sending astronauts into space. And they are all good.

I see it as analogous to Confederate statues in front of courthouses and other government buildings. Statues don’t merely tell a story, they are used to glorify their subjects. Those Confederate statues send the message that the people in control here still believe these men are heroes, and the subtext is that blacks are not welcome there.

You have your perspective, and others have theirs. Confederate statues, flags, rifles, swords, and other memorabilia grace American towns and homes today. We have parades and re-enactments of of American historical events every year. It's our cultural history, and we are proud of what we are.
It depends on the collector. History is important but what little experience I have had with fascist collectors is they are a bit too into the ideology too.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Collecting in itself is one thing, but it's the intention of said collector that really matters.
JustNik · 51-55, F
I don’t feel it’s for me to say whether it’s wrong - I think that depends on what’s behind it, and I’m not sure we ever really know that. For myself, I love history, and I’m interested in seeing the artifacts, contemplating the human beings who designed and utilized them. I can understand a collection of things from the war in general, a desire to preserve them, but I find the notion of narrowing it down specifically to Nazi artifacts somewhat repulsive.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@JustNik Yes why not allied artifacts as well? Just collecting the Nazi ones seems like an obsession.
JustNik · 51-55, F
@JimboSaturn I admit I’d be lookin at em sideways, but 🤷‍♀. In the grand scheme, it’s good things get saved. I’d try to think of it that way.
Alfarrobas · 31-35, M
The words you use, moves me towards a more historic and academic purpose, than of an Nazi supporter
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Alfarrobas Thank you for the comment
Slicker24 · 26-30
My uncle collected some things during the war while he was over in Germany but none after
No

Edit.... No as in you shouldn't collect Nazi memorabilia. We have museums for that, and I would just 3D scan stuff for historians if I came across something and put it online. I have studied Nazi strategic and tactical works out of military necessity, because many concepts are still in use, and you need to know it to defend against it. I also studied their philosophy to know when I see it. But to openly collect keepsakes is repulsive to the extreme.
missyann · 56-60
No, collecting history is never wrong. It reminds us that we must NEVER forget TV
TexChik · F
Not if it's collected and maintained as a historical item.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@TexChik They will always be historical items. At what point do they become something else too?
HannahSky · F
No. Let the museums use it to teach history.
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
Agreed. It's just kinda creepy to keep that as a personal collection.
zentic · 26-30, M
I think its cool, I have some Nazi stuff, a WHW pin and a P38 pistol. The controversy just adds to the collection, especially if it is something innocuous like a cast iron pin of a rose. I could wear my Winterhilfswerk Rose on me day to day and nobody would think twice.
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emiliya · 22-25, F
@jshm2 What about museums exhibiting Nazi memorabilia? They say they do it for educational and historical purposes, but what if an individual wants to do it for the same reason? Is anyone being harmed?

If someone is obsessed with Nazis, it still does not make them a criminal. Child pornography will show children being harmed, and it is likely from the same era the person watching it is. Even if one were an admirer of Nazis, they can't be a real Nazi because Nazism is dead.

“This is why even rapists and murderers who are found not guilty end up shunned from civilised circles.”

This makes no sense. If they are found not guilty, why would they be shunned? Who are the civilized circles?
@jshm2
Yes. It's like someone who "just" collects child porn, as it is "part of history".

The difference is that when someone buys child porn, they're funding an industry that harms children. They're creating a demand for more children to be harmed. But when someone collects artifacts from Nazi Germany, who is being harmed? The NSDAP has already been disbanded, so it's not like the money is helping to prop up Nazi Germany. It would be like saying by collecting artifacts from the Viking Age, we're funding Vikings.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@BohemianBabe You meant to tag jshm2. I very much agree with your view on the matter.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Not sure if it's wrong, but I can see it disturbing some people. A lot like collecting serial killer memorabilia -- not something the majority of people would do.
RageAgainstTheMachine · 36-40, M
What could be wrong with collecting pieces of history? Based on that precedence, the Museum of Tolerance is nothing more than a shrine to the Nazi Party.
akindheart · 61-69, F
i love all history too and there is value to that but it is so sensitive, i wouldn't go near it
emiliya · 22-25, F
Most groups in history have done harm to others, sometimes to people who were the same as them. Were the Nazis so different to the rest of us? What makes them more evil? Industrial methods of killing? It can't be their intent, as so many others have had the same intent. Consider all the genocides in our history.
@emiliya most groups in history have done barbaric things in barbaric times. The Nazis, being entirely 20c, don't have that excuse
emiliya · 22-25, F
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP Aren't we always in barbaric times?
MarineBob · 56-60, M
I collect zippo lighters but don't smoke cigarettes
MarineBob · 56-60, M
It is history and most collections are quite valuable
Nothing wrong with collecting.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Yes. Its wrong. The memorabilia itself is one thing. But giving money to the people who have the poor taste to own it is definitely wrong..😷
emiliya · 22-25, F
@whowasthatmaskedman Why do they have poor taste? It is history.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@emiliya It is. But not the better part of it. I get that people collect all sorts of things as value investments, because rarity drives up the price. But (if you will pardon the poor taste) if I decided to collect the skulls of your specific dead ancestors as a curiosity I am sure you would consider that an affront. The Nazi Germany era is one that, while it needs to be remembered to learn a lesson from, doesnt deserve to be commemorated as merchandise..😷
Umm. WHAT Nazi memorabilia? Pins? Pens? Pictures? Maps? Designs?
Books? Movies? Enigma machine? Guns? Grenades?
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@Guardian Perhaps a pin cushion in the likeness of Der Führer.

Or even toilet paper with the swastika flag on every sheet.
emiliya · 22-25, F
@Guardian Of course! It could be any memorabilia, any items formerly belonging to Nazis.

Weapons, medals, coins, badges, uniform are particularly interesting.
Plus it's not like the NSDAP is making money off of that stuff.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
No, of course not. I have some nazi memorabilia but it's strictly out of interest. The Germans had the best uniforms and their technology at the time was second to none. When I first saw my first Tiger1 tank, I was hooked...lol
caesar7 · 61-69, M
@sree251 That is very true!!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@caesar7 God, those uniforms. Hitler knew what he was doing when he hired Hugo Boss.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@caesar7 You didnt happen to know a tall thin guy with long hair by the name of "Oddball".. Did you?😷
Let's just say, I'm glad I don't know anyone who does (AFAIK)
emiliya · 22-25, F
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP Why is that? Would it be a problem?
@emiliya because I'd have to wonder why, if it was produced to overtly promote Nazism
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I don't judge you for wanting to own it. I wouldn't own it.
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