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WTG Canada!

Effective today, Canada has banned "Conversion Therapy, advertising conversion therapy and profiting from conversion therapy"! At least Canada has had the guts to ban this heinous practice that has damaged many young lives.

Edited to include the following:

Bill C4 has been approved by both Houses of Canada, Parliament and Senate:

Bill C4 adds the following four offenses to the Criminal Code of Canada, punishable with jail time up to five years as well as fines:

(a) causing another person to undergo conversion therapy;

(b) doing anything for the purpose of removing a child from Canada with the intention that the child undergo conversion therapy outside Canada;

(c) promoting or advertising conversion therapy; and

(d) receiving a financial or other material benefit from the provision of conversion therapy.”
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That's good news. It was banned in California in 2013. I wish the rest of the country would ban this abusive practice, as well.
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spjennifer · 61-69, T
@TheFlippantSide Agreed, it is a disgusting practice that causes a lot more harm than good!
revenant · F
People are afraid because it might cover those loony leftist laws about gender identity
There is more to the bill than just about gay people : that is bad alright.

but when underage kids are totally confused and may take steps without the parents knowledge, it is another thing

https://genspect.org/update-on-canadas-conversion-therapy-bill/
Carazaa · F
@spjennifer You did not understand my comment at all! who are you to say that any comment does not relate, that is as wrong as a counselor saying "your feelings are not valid, and don't talk about them, and don't highjack the conversation with gay nonsense or talk about your gender identity here"
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Carazaa I see so you feel that anyone can post anything they want in response to a post no matter if it's relevant or not, right? So purple because a chicken has no taillights is my response to you.
@revenant Conversion therapy is literally cult brainwashing. Nothing more. It has been debunked repeatedly and actually psychologically damages people. It also doesn't work long term and ends up just traumatizing people. It is a good thing this bullshit is going down.

Traumatizing kids so right wing fundies don't get their feelings hurt should be illegal.
Carissimi · F
All cruel behavior and speech is heinous, but unless you allow people to choose, there is no freedom. Why don’t they ban cruel mind games/gaslighting by lying politicians?
Carissimi · F
I must think further on this, but they should not be forced. They must be allowed to choose, which means there must be a choice. No. That doesn’t work either because if under the age of consent, the parents choose for a child. Maybe the age is the problem. They must be 18 (or whatever the coming of age is) to choose what they want to do. This takes the parents out of it. It’s a very complex human issue, and requires deep thought and consideration. There should be a law that no child under age of consent can cut body parts off, or have hormones pumped into their body. @spjennifer
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@revenant Interesting that you use the age of 14 as the "Tackling Violent Crime Act" states that it's acceptable for a 14 year old to consent to sex with someone less than 5 years older. Get real, kids today are having sex at 12 years old, like it or not. The logical reasoning is that if they are old enough to be having consensual sex, they are old enough to decide their Gender Identity. I don't want to get into a debate about Gender Identity on this post as this one wasn't about GI and I already asked you politely to take it to another post of your own.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Carissimi This post wasn't about Gender Identity as much as @revenant has attempted to make it so over and over. I was talking about Canada banning "Conversion Therapy" which many Religious parents are using to attempt to brainwash their children out of being gay. Whether they like it or not, one can not pray the gay away or brainwash someone into being straight. This is an offensive and abusive practice that has been banned in 13 other Countries and now in Canada because it has caused much psychological damage and suicide attempts and suicides.
Carla · 61-69, F
Conversion therapy. Sanctioned torture. Same thing.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Carla Yes, it is, young gays struggle enough with their sexuality without this oppressive practice being put upon them, very few go through this voluntarily, sadly.
revenant · F
dunno what exactly it is about...but it is also banning parents to talk with their children
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@LeopoldBloom Fair enough!
@revenant As they should. Parents don’t own their children. The state also has an interest.
@revenant No, it is about banning parents from psychologically damaging their kids to protect their feelings.
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spjennifer · 61-69, T
@EvilGenius Because you think we are any better? think Texass banning abortions. This is a Provincial law, much like our State Laws. I've actually lived in Quebec in my youth so am not at all surprised at this one as they've banned all Religious symbology from Schools, Hospitals and Government institutions which is not a bad thing IF it's being applied equally to ALL Religious symbology, including the cross.
@EvilGenius Quebec has it's own issues. For decades it was functionally run like a Catholic client state. That takes time to undo.
eMortal · M
What's a conversion therapy?
@Unity I never said 9/11 was the worst thing to happen in the last 30 years. It was an airline security problem that we completely overreacted to.

If you think the government could pull off a secret operation of that magnitude without anyone spilling the beans, you have a lot more faith than I do.
@LeopoldBloom Nah they don't have to organise it my man, they just have to fund the ones who do, aka Saudi Arabia, the US funded Al Qaeda during the cold war to fight the Russians, after that ended they kept funding them via proxy of Saudi Arabia and then 9/11 happened and they used it as an excuse to spy on everyone.

As I am typing this It just sounds nuts but sadly this is the world we live in.
@Unity Saudi Arabia was not behind 9/11.
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Canada was always more liberal than other places. To be expected
Never looked into it, what are the success rates? Has their been any deeper studies on the subject at all?

If it’s useless and causes more harm then good then sure, ban it, but if there’s a science behind it that deserves further study then banning it is a stupid idea.

@spjennifer
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Unity Sadly there is no legitimate "science" behind it, just a bunch of quacks taking advantage of religious parents mortal fear of their child being OMG Gay! Gotta convert them back to being "straight" or they'll go to hell for their sins! Canada didn't just ban it because they felt like it,they banned it because it's a heinous practice which only does damage to people who are already struggling with their sexual orientation. California banned it back in 2013 because it's wrong.
@Unity it’s useless. Exodus International, the largest ex-gay organization in the world, closed its doors after its president, Alan Chambers, admitted that their success rate was less than 1/10 of 1%. Gay conversion therapy has been shown to lead to harmful outcomes, including suicide.
Lilymoon · F
I didn't even know it was a thing until they banned it. 😦
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Lilymoon So far, 13 Countries have banned Conversion Therapy and many other countries are considering legislation banning it, the State of California banned it in 2013 so this heinous practice is not new and it needs to be banned worldwide!

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/which-countries-have-already-banned-conversion-therapy
@spjennifer California banned licensed therapists from practicing it. It's still legal for a pastor or a parent to tell a kid that they shouldn't be gay.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@LeopoldBloom Good, it should be banned as a "therapy". Of course, and I see nothing wrong with a parent telling the kid they shouldn't be gay but not to try and force them to become straight by brainwashing therapy sessions called "Conversion Therapy"!
Several US states have banned licensed therapists from using it, but I don’t see how it can be totally banned. It should be illegal to try to coerce a gay or trans person into changing, but I can’t think of a way to do that without violating free speech.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@LeopoldBloom

Are you saying the father should go to jail for that?

Not saying that at all, I am however against minor children being dragged off to so-called "Conversion Therapy" therapists to be brainwashed straight. Most of these so-called therapies are nothing but hard core brainwashing sessions where kids are being shamed for being gay because it's against their parents religious beliefs.
@spjennifer I'm against that, too, and that's what was outlawed. And a parent subjecting a child to that kind of treatment themselves would qualify as child abuse. But I don't see how you can stop parents from talking to their kids, even if they're expressing a reprehensible opinion.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@LeopoldBloom Oh no, as I said, parents can say whatever they want to their kids, as long as it's not abusive or trying to shame them or force them into becoming "straight". I agree, you can't stop parents from talking to their children nor should anyone, they are entitled to their beliefs but their kids are also entitled to be gay...
Graylight · 51-55, F
Thank God. I wouldn't be surprised if Florida was trying to work it into the daily school curriculum right now. You know, just to be safe. The last thing you want is gay racists.

It's a common and extremely lazy form of thinking to look at the struggles and issues sexuality and gender and blame all the angst on the person rather than the society that's demeaning, suppressing and categorizing as 'less than.' A gay person can no sooner be converted to a straight life than all those striving to convert our youth could be suddenly be turned gay.

My God, our species is like 200K old and we're still doing this? For a book written by anonymous preachers and historians and full of misinformation and agendas.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@Graylight It wouldn't surprise me either, Florida is enacting Laws that are mostly based on religious beliefs of the Evangelical Right which has been pushing for things like this in many other States too, our country is Secular and religious beliefs shouldn't be affecting the Laws that Govern us. Canada has been pretty sensible when it comes to any questions on sexual orientation and Gender Identity and CT is a disgusting practice that attempts to browbeat and shame the child or young adult into "praying the gay away", many young adults have committed suicide after undergoing CT because it was unsuccessful, which is no surprise. CT would be like trying to brainwash a dog into becoming a cat, all the brainwashing and praying in the world isn't going to change biology...
Kudos to Canada for another strike against homophobia.
Zonuss · 46-50, M
Anyone defending conversion therapy should be shot.
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@canusernamebemyusername Well, I don't like what they were doing in any way but I've seen and done enough killing to last a lifetime or two so I'd just want them put in jail for a good while.
@spjennifer Yeah. I'ts more an emotional reaction. I would def end up with ptsd if I did kill someone. Im very prone to it. I just want people like this not to exist:(
spjennifer · 61-69, T
@canusernamebemyusername I hear ya, thankfully I've been relatively immune to PTSD. The sad thing is that the people who are making kids undergo these disgusting practices think that they're doing it to help the kids, for real, that one I don't understand at all...

 
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