15 year study shows that majority of gender-confused kids grow out of it.

@SW-User Try engaging with an individual affected by gender dysphoria, instead of making sweeping generalisations, and you will begin to understand.

@SunshineGirl I have. It’s not very complex.

@Mordechai why is that funny? It makes perfect sense that fear or hate lies behind belittling a condition and misrepresenting a treatment to gather support to ban it. What other reason did you have for doing that?

@Mordechai I can't comment on why someone would feel confused unless the body is not properly formed one way or another. If that happens, it can be disturbing. What makes it worse are so-called experts exploiting the situation playing "witch doctors".

@SW-User [quote] Do you apply that flawed logic to everything? If I killed someone, then everyone else should stay out of it because that is my business? [/quote]

It is not flawed logic at all. It is right ethic. Social manners, if you will. Don't hog the public space.

Killing someone is a big deal. It is not your business even if you are President of the US.

@sree251 It’s not your business to tell me what my business is.

@SW-User [quote] It’s not your business to tell me what my business is. [/quote]

True, as long as you are not messing with the public space provided for other people too. You come across as a self-righteous, better than thou nosy parker marinated in the obnoxious culture of the mighty USA. I am an American, and I am pissed off with our meddling with foreign nations. You are doing the same. Don't get me wrong. I know where you are coming from with regard to people messing around with gender nonsense. It irks me too but it's their business even if I don't like it.

@SW-User There is nothing but wisdom in that and I do not get it either. Most that go throw the gender reassignment become depressed and suicidal as well. So, well worth the adult wait time of 25 I would say.

Heck, I dabbled with my cross dressing on and off from age 11 through my adult life, and only in my late 40's did I know it was to be a passion of mine, yet still 100% heterosexual. I get waiting for such a massive change as sex reassignment.

@SW-User Don't think you'll find many disagreeing that kidx should wait. However, it's all about how the "wait" is managed. Just telling a kid to forget about it won't work. We can be less judgemental if the kid wants to dress as the other gender, it's just clothes.

@22Michelle Yes, true!

@BlueVeins Because it is not meaningless in this case. People push the idea that children should take drugs or cut parts of their body off because they have a bit of confusion about gender.

The evidence, 15 years worth in the case, show that HRT and surgery aren’t needed in children with that confusion.

Furthermore, studies do not show that youth GAC decreases rates of negative mental health outcomes. The positives do not outweigh the negatives in this case.

@SW-User [quote]Because it is not meaningless in this case. People push the idea that children should take drugs or cut parts of their body off because they have a bit of confusion about gender.[/quote]

This just isn't happening. The process for getting approved for bottom surgery takes years, most of 'em wait until they're adults, and of those who don't, the youngest they generally are is 16.

[quote]The evidence, 15 years worth in the case, show that HRT and surgery aren’t needed in children with that confusion.[/quote]

Babe, the post cites cases of gender confusion, not kids who actually got HRT or surgery. This is like saying you shouldn't get that lump on your neck checked out because oftentimes people with lumps on their neck don't need fucking cancer treatment. What you should be looking at is the proportion of people who receive treatment but then go on to regret it or have complications, which is very very low. And of those who de-transition, most of it's because of social pressure from people close to them or for lack of ability to pay for continued care.

[quote]Furthermore, studies do not show that youth GAC decreases rates of negative mental health outcomes. The positives do not outweigh the negatives in this case.[/quote]

Yes they do.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

Overwhelmingly. There's a reason why this fight is being had among politicians and pundits rather than scientists and doctors. There's no medical case to be made for banning transgender healthcare.

edit: further explicated the 2nd paragraph of my response

@BlueVeins [quote]This just isn't happening. The process for getting approved for bottom surgery takes years, most of 'em wait until they're adults, and of those who don't, the youngest they generally are is 16. [/quote]

Are you seriously saying that people do not push these ideas? It’s everywhere. Bottom surgery isn’t the only surgery where people cut off parts of their body. It is less common, sure, which is why you chose to mention it instead of top surgery, which is much more common.

[quote] Babe, the post cites cases of gender confusion, not kids who actually got HRT or surgery. This is like saying you shouldn't get that lump on your neck checked out because oftentimes people with lumps on their neck don't need fucking cancer treatment. [/quote]

No, it’s not. Stop making false equivalences.

[quote] https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/[/quote]

Did you read any of those reports? Even most of the ones they listed as supporting their claims, do not actually do that. At least not to the extent that is being portrayed. A lot of the results didn’t show signs of a positive or negative effect on depression, several admit that adequate research was not done and more was needed, a lot of them didn’t even receive results from half or more of the people in the studies, most conclude that there is a big difference in satisfaction between MtF and FtM and lastly, most list social support as the main factor in any improvement.

@SW-User And here I was being polite thinking we could find some common ground. *sigh*

@QueenOfZaun lmao. There is common ground to be found. I support trans rights, I just think you should be an adult to make the decision. If that is your definition of a transphobe then so be it.

@SW-User Yes, then so be it.