I think it's brilliant but also, parents need to parent and monitor their children's online activity.
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@V00dooLovesTheMoon EXACTLY !!
And I'm sure a lot of this has come about because parents are happy to provide the tech as long as it distracts them from...boys, booze, drugs....you know, the traditional worries of most parents.
That's the trouble when you want business to rule and adults out working all hours, they'll have no clue what their children are doing until an event happens that shocks everyone to their senses.
And I'm sure a lot of this has come about because parents are happy to provide the tech as long as it distracts them from...boys, booze, drugs....you know, the traditional worries of most parents.
That's the trouble when you want business to rule and adults out working all hours, they'll have no clue what their children are doing until an event happens that shocks everyone to their senses.
@Picklebobble2 And adults should be mindful that there are children online. Every adult should have responsibility
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
Not a Brit here but I am not convinced that social media is the only problem. Do kids even have places to go to play or socialize in a safe and meaningful way anymore? Do they even know how to entertain themselves without their electronic devices? Do parents teach their kids about the dangers on the internet or actually teach them to be a decent human being with a good moral compass overall?
As for the safety concerns for adults, I heard that Australia forbade any social media platform to request only personal ID as a way to verify one's age. They have to offer other ways too. For example a photo of the face and yeah, good luck with it for young people over 16. I had been carded well into my late 20s by humans, let alone a machine.
As for the safety concerns for adults, I heard that Australia forbade any social media platform to request only personal ID as a way to verify one's age. They have to offer other ways too. For example a photo of the face and yeah, good luck with it for young people over 16. I had been carded well into my late 20s by humans, let alone a machine.
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@CrazyMusicLover That's a good point.
I suppose at one time schools, church, youth clubs etc. all had a role in 'raising' a child in their community.
And they all knew the family.
I suppose at one time schools, church, youth clubs etc. all had a role in 'raising' a child in their community.
And they all knew the family.
PatientlyWaiting25 · 46-50, F
It should be 18. They need to learn to socialise in person first.
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@PatientlyWaiting25 For years they've been screaming at us about ensuring we the user are responsible for our data.
And to never give personal details as scammers and criminals could use it or reproduce it for criminal purposes...and THIS is their 'solution' ?
And to never give personal details as scammers and criminals could use it or reproduce it for criminal purposes...and THIS is their 'solution' ?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Been against this digital tracking ever since the 1990s.
This is just another step towards global tracking.
Yeah they have your IP addresses. Yeah ask why do they keep that data at all? Why is it even legal? It was with great pride that ISPs of all types in the 1990s said that they didn't keep any data.
That simply is no longer the case. The memory is so cheap now it doesn't cost them much at all to track everything.
Or do you not remember that 20 megabyte hard drive was the maximum of the 1990s? While I have a terabyte of memory on an SD card for my cellphone.
This is just another step towards global tracking.
Yeah they have your IP addresses. Yeah ask why do they keep that data at all? Why is it even legal? It was with great pride that ISPs of all types in the 1990s said that they didn't keep any data.
That simply is no longer the case. The memory is so cheap now it doesn't cost them much at all to track everything.
Or do you not remember that 20 megabyte hard drive was the maximum of the 1990s? While I have a terabyte of memory on an SD card for my cellphone.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@DeWayfarer It needs considerable political will to enforce it, but yes, I think the Internet owners should be brought much better to account.
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell But you'll notice, the companies so desperate for your info. aren't exactly offering online safety for it.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Picklebobble2 Oracle once offered your data removed. Yet the process was extremely difficult to even do. Yet that didn't prevent them from keep on doing so again. 🤣
You had to continuously remove your own data. 🤬
You had to continuously remove your own data. 🤬
Nyloncapes · 61-69, M
Don’t agree with it what about all the other youngsters who can be responsible and know what sites are ok and who are strong not to be bullied and can give it back and if they think under 16 s should be banned then how can uk government say they are capable of voting when they want voting age down to 16
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@Nyloncapes Good point.
Personally I doubt anything is 100% preventable online.
But if the tech companies with governments consent and backing start wanting and storing fingerprint or retina or DNA data as a form of identity confirmation, then i can see adults walking away from a lot of business apps as well as social media sites.
Personally I doubt anything is 100% preventable online.
But if the tech companies with governments consent and backing start wanting and storing fingerprint or retina or DNA data as a form of identity confirmation, then i can see adults walking away from a lot of business apps as well as social media sites.
I'm all for it ...wish they would do that in US ...they have parents suing everyone instead ....how is that supposed to help a child's mental well being ? Pfft
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@Chern0bylplaygr0unds Yes. Everything is everyone else's responsibility.
Passing the buck has become a national past time everywhere.
Passing the buck has become a national past time everywhere.
Its been a long time coming. Parents have as much responsibility in monitoring what their kids are viewing
hunkalove · 70-79, M
It's never a good idea to let government censor you. But 99% of what is on the Internet is a total waste of time. Porn and video games destroy lives.
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
As a parent I’m in favour.
Forgetting all the standard issues with social media and the internet, it can be a source of bullying. Our kids have been raised not to be too dependant on screen time.
Forgetting all the standard issues with social media and the internet, it can be a source of bullying. Our kids have been raised not to be too dependant on screen time.
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@AdmiralPrune But the question is are you fully aware of what they're viewing ?
Do you know what sites they visit or what groups they're members of on which sites ?
Do you know what sites they visit or what groups they're members of on which sites ?
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
@Picklebobble2 For the most part yes. But I don’t always see what messages they receive from other people before they do.
onewithshoes · 26-30, F
Doubt it will work.
Justmeraeagain · 56-60, F
I'm probably going to have an unpopular opinion but I don't really like it.
The parents and other reasonable parties should be monitoring the child not the state.
A law by itself that says no one under 16 should be on the social internet should be enough and it's up to the parents,schools, social media platforms, to enforce it .
No companies that provide service and no shops could sell to anyone under 16 by law.
People are going to get around this no matter what the government likes or does not like.
It feels like putting a Band-Aid on a gaping wound and not fixing the problem.
Platforms need to kick off anyone who's bullying the responsibility should not rest on the state for everything.
The parents,the companies,schools, and social media outlets- need to start taking responsibility and getting in real trouble if they don't.
Let the state make the law and punish those who do not follow the law ,but put the responsibility for obeying the law on the citizens.
The parents and other reasonable parties should be monitoring the child not the state.
A law by itself that says no one under 16 should be on the social internet should be enough and it's up to the parents,schools, social media platforms, to enforce it .
No companies that provide service and no shops could sell to anyone under 16 by law.
People are going to get around this no matter what the government likes or does not like.
It feels like putting a Band-Aid on a gaping wound and not fixing the problem.
Platforms need to kick off anyone who's bullying the responsibility should not rest on the state for everything.
The parents,the companies,schools, and social media outlets- need to start taking responsibility and getting in real trouble if they don't.
Let the state make the law and punish those who do not follow the law ,but put the responsibility for obeying the law on the citizens.
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@Justmeraeagain Yep.
Taking responsibility (or lack thereof) is how we got here.
Taking responsibility (or lack thereof) is how we got here.
gol979 · 46-50, M
Its not about "protecting the youngsters"......its about digital ID for everyone. The digital prison is being erected around our ears
Picklebobble2 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell Well he's got a point.
Every institution you have dealings with is insisting you have an accompanying, registered email account these days.
Whether it be your bank, your boss, your medical insurance etc.
And what do they need all that for ?
We used to think it was so they could sell that information to third parties for a fee and that condition was always buried in the terms of service agreement you had to agree to.
But it seems to me that they're expecting what we euphemistically call the Internet, to be governed by (most likely) the U.S government.
That or make the biggest technology companies responsible for it.
Every institution you have dealings with is insisting you have an accompanying, registered email account these days.
Whether it be your bank, your boss, your medical insurance etc.
And what do they need all that for ?
We used to think it was so they could sell that information to third parties for a fee and that condition was always buried in the terms of service agreement you had to agree to.
But it seems to me that they're expecting what we euphemistically call the Internet, to be governed by (most likely) the U.S government.
That or make the biggest technology companies responsible for it.
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
@gol979 If you want to be realistic, a form of digital ID has been in progress for quite some time.
Your IP address, your internet activity, online banking and any pictures and videos taken by your device.
This is it just coming out of the closet.
Your IP address, your internet activity, online banking and any pictures and videos taken by your device.
This is it just coming out of the closet.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I hope it works but it will hard to control, and we have to recognise some parents are likely to help their children evade the controls.
The major social-media sites do need take much more responsibility though, as publishers of everything on their sites.
The major social-media sites do need take much more responsibility though, as publishers of everything on their sites.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Not sure how they can work it. Also, they make it sound like bullying, etc., didn't exist before social media -- it did. Except instead of just nasty words you got punched, too.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ChipmunkErnie But once you were in your own home you were safe. Online bullying is 24/7 and involves many others, not just the handful that he used be the case.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK If you were lucky and your own family didn't bully you. (I was lucky, they didn't.)








