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When do humans lose the right to human rights to you?

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Never. If you can lose it, it's a privilege not a right.
popmol · 26-30, M
@AlienTheExtraterrestrial no matter what one does?
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HumanEarth · F
When corporations see you as nothing more than a dollar sign and use the government to shape laws in their favor - like with these new AI controlled vehicles that are coming out. There's no privacy whatsoever, you have no real control over them, and honestly, you don't even really own them.

This is well-documented. Companies like Waymo, Tesla, GM Cruise, and Aurora spend millions annually lobbying for favorable AV regulations. The Self-Driving Coalition for Safer Streets (Google, Uber, Ford, Volvo, Lyft) was literally formed to shape policy. In 2023, California's governor vetoed a bill requiring a safety operator in self-driving trucks after a six-figure lobbying push. Elon Musk personally lobbied Congress on the Autonomous Vehicle Acceleration Act in 2025.

AI controlled vehicles generate up to 4 terabytes of data per day per vehicle, including location, driving behavior, biometrics, and even voice commands. 67% of consumers worry about location data being shared with third parties. In 2025, the FTC fined a major automaker $20 million for selling driver data to insurers without consent - which tells you it was happening. That said, regulations are starting to catch up. by the way the EU Data Act took effect in September 2025

The software makes the decisions, and you can't meaningfully override or audit the AI's choices. You can turn off some features, but you don't control the core system. Which is total bullshit!

"You don't really own them" - This is the most defensible claim. GM literally told the U.S. Copyright Office that car buyers "mistakenly conflate ownership of a vehicle with ownership of the underlying computer software." The software is licensed, not sold to you. John Deere made a similar claim about tractors. So you own the metal, but the thing that actually drives is technically theirs.
popmol · 26-30, M
@HumanEarth that is true! but the question is how will we get out?
HumanEarth · F
Death
popmol · 26-30, M
@HumanEarth their deaths or ours?
Docdon23 · M
I do not agree with the death penalty at all. I value all human life. However, if a person kills another in a murder (not war or self defense or accident) then i do believe society should take away their rights and separate them from society--prison of some sort. However, i do believe basic human rights still should apply--no torture or inhumane treatment.
AthrillatheHunt · 56-60, M
@Docdon23 I’m also anti death penalty. I also believe solitary confinement is inhumane.
popmol · 26-30, M
@Docdon23 that seems good :)
Never. Humanity needs to extend all rights.
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@AthrillatheHunt sfu. F.O. BS spewer. Bite me and die.
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popmol · 26-30, M
@wildbill83 seems reasonable
When they abuse children. Rape. Genocides. Mass murders. Torturers.

Death sentence for all.
popmol · 26-30, M
@greensnacks great list!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
When they start growing fur, a tail, and run fast on all four limbs! Maybe even a complete loss of one chromosome’s genetic material. 🙃

We don't want a mixed species. 😱
popmol · 26-30, M
@DeWayfarer whats wrong with a mixed species?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@popmol naaaahhh, naaaahhh! 🐐
DearAmbellina2113 · 46-50, F
I'm gonna be honest. When I hear stories about people who just keep having baby after baby in poverty conditions, and neglect those children, it makes me fully aware that human forced sterilization might be a good idea.
DearAmbellina2113 · 46-50, F
@AthrillatheHunt no. Make THEM pay for the sterilization, or they will never learn. Otherwise you'll have people popping out kids JUST so they can be paid to get sterilized.
AthrillatheHunt · 56-60, M
@DearAmbellina2113 it would still be a bargain for the govt and tax payers. Only losers would be the prison industrial complex.
popmol · 26-30, M
@DearAmbellina2113 not sure i entirely agree thats the solution but its one way to try to solve it i guess.
nevah..

those who look to restrict your freedom. are NOT the good guys ey!.. 🤙
popmol · 26-30, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout really never? thats impressive
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
When they're dead?
popmol · 26-30, M
@DunningKruger that makes sense
AthrillatheHunt · 56-60, M
Those laws go directly against 200k years of evolution.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@AthrillatheHunt we can change and if we don't, it's all over. Another end end.

When I say life is change I truly mean it.
AthrillatheHunt · 56-60, M
@DeWayfarer it is what it is
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@AthrillatheHunt Added edit...
When I say life is change I truly mean it.

It doesn't care who changes the most.
Birdbox1986 · 31-35, F
You’ll be a dictator then
popmol · 26-30, M
@Birdbox1986 no i was asking when you think someone loses their human rights?
Birdbox1986 · 31-35, F
@popmol yes once a human loses human right that’s called dictatorship
popmol · 26-30, M
@Birdbox1986 i'm not sure i understand sorry.
BlueVeins · 26-30
Really depends on the human rights in question. Even something as mild as stealing clothes from a store can be enough to have your freedom of movement revoked, in jail. But then, even something as severe as rape and murder doesn't warrant depriving someone of their right to life. I'm not even 100% sure that right to life should be revoked for a dictator or cartel lord, provided they can be contained.

Fundamentally, I think we should seek to maximize freedom for everyone, and the challenge of society is deciding how to maximize total human freedom. For example, it is acceptable to restrain people from running red lights because the alternative is jeopardizing right to life.
popmol · 26-30, M
@BlueVeins i see, its thin line thats hard to walk!
GoFish ·
when they violate others
popmol · 26-30, M
@GoFish reasonable
We make ourselves the arbiters of so many things... There's such an in-depth way I want to answer this but I feel I would be here all day bc I'm verbose as hell. But to TRY to keep it short I'll say that we never lose the right to them...but perhaps simply the accessibility and use of those rights depending on what has occurred?

A human is a human until they cease to live and decay.
popmol · 26-30, M
@DancingStarGoddess okay i see i see! :)
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
The societies we are born into determine what the general public believes is right or wrong.

Examples:
eating cows vs. Dogs.
Accepting or opposing arranged marriages.
Beliefs about religion.

Aztecs would find a ritual sacrifice every night to ensure the sun would rise in the morning. Thats wrong to us now.

Your perception of the world is determined by your influences. Especially what ever your born into.

Its why you eat with a fork and sit in a chair.
popmol · 26-30, M
@GuyWithOpinions well i don't know canadia so i have no clue
GuyWithOpinions · 31-35, M
Its the same as america but we shoot eachother a little less. Complain a little less and dont protest as often.
popmol · 26-30, M
@GuyWithOpinions that tells me ab it more but i also don't know much about america.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
Killing, torturing, abusing for their own entertainment and pleasure. Eye for an eye.
popmol · 26-30, M
WanderingHelplessly · 51-55, M
When they kill or harm another with intent. A part of me would love to see them rehabilitated. That being said, I would extend that to intent to harm animals. Before the idiots come at me, I'm not talking about hunting.
popmol · 26-30, M
@WanderingHelplessly i see i can agree with that!
Munumbis · 46-50, M
When they deny them to the innocent.
popmol · 26-30, M
@Munumbis very reasonable!
Jackaloftheazuresand · 31-35, M
I only believe in the right to secure your survival without taking from others unless initially aggressed upon. It's one simple rule and by breaking it, you forfeit it.
popmol · 26-30, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand that's a good way to look at it !
dale74 · M
Never Conception till natural death. Unless they have taken someone elses human rights then they should loose punished and possibly loss of their own.
popmol · 26-30, M
@dale74 that seems fair!

 
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