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It's not heroic, it's damn right stupidity.

I honestly think that all those branding people transphobic, for simply having a opinion or view on the contraversy surrounding the community, are simply justifying their grotesque behaviour.

There's is no justification for it, they know it, so they attack anyone who doesn't agree.

Dangerous game to play if they can't see the damage being done and choose to protect those responsible for the atrocities that are going on.
JakeSetto · 22-25, M
I would just like to point out, that by using words like "grotesque behavior", "no justification", "damage", and "atrocities" in reference to a group of *PEOPLE* who are really not harming a single person... could easily be considered... and i'm using your own words here... "attacking" people who don't fit into your closed off world view.
@JakeSetto Respect your Elders
JakeSetto · 22-25, M
@NativePortlander1970 I respect people who are deserving of respect. I have nothing but the utmost respect for my elders... who deserve it[i].

It genuinely baffles me that you don't understand that nothing in this world grants you immediate respect. I don't personally expect to be respected by everyone, or really anyone for that matter, because I understand that respect is [i]earned.
I find it funny that "my generation" is often criticized for being entitled, and feeling like we deserve respect for no reason, however in this hypothetical situation, who raised us to be this way? Who taught us that this is the way to live? Who set those expectations for us?

And before you say that I should respect peoples' opinions, I absolutely do... when those opinions aren't that an entire group of people shouldn't exist, or that they are an abomination, or that they are inherently predatory, or that they choose to live that way. Until a single one of those claims can be concretely proven, they aren't opinions, they are prejudices... which my moral compass (something that many of you lack) just won't allow me to stand by.
JakeSetto · 22-25, M
@PrincessRoarBuddy I wonder, is the "harassment", "bullying", "attacks", and threats coming out of nowhere? (Not that threats are warranted, but i'd be hard pressed to find anybody encouraging threatening someone on this side of the argument) Or are they in response to your "opinions". Your "opinions" that aren't based in fact, that are completely against self-expression for the sake of "it makes me uncomfortable", that are prejudiced against entire *protected* groups of people?

Notice how you pointed out that, "This is bad and can maybe lead to that person wanting to kill herself or himself..." What do you think happens to people when every day of their life, they are threatened, and bullied, and harassed, and attacked, and invalidated, for expressing themselves? Or for loving who they love? Or for dressing how they want to dress? All because they don't fit into YOUR religious view? You cannot throw stones from a glass house. Every time someone harasses someone, or tries to put them down for whatever reason, they open themselves right back up to it. That's the power of free speech baby, the freedom to criticize goes hand in hand. It's not the freedom to speak without consequence, it's the freedom to speak without prosecution.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Transphobe isn't an insult it's a description of behaviour.

Why do you think you have a right to say something without other people responding? Why on earth should I be required to tolerate your behaviour?
They are TOO brainwashed and conditioned from seeing the truth and what is really being done.. they live in a bubble fantasy world. They do not really question things and they also believe the first part of the story..


And if you point stuff like that out to them e.g. the truth, the narratives and agendas they put labels on you when not even knowing you plus harassing, attacking and doing more..while not knowing what this kinda bs does to someone. A certain gang do that and hate it when you stick up for yourself which gets them triggered lol even blocking 😂🤣




The q is..are they like that in real life or are they trying to act all tough and big online..
Gloomy · F
This "contraversy" is artificial and you'd need to be more specific what you consider to be "grotesque behavior".
Also the community is in no way homogenous, there is no shared ideology beyond the fight for equal rights and protection from discrimination.

In the end you and people with similar posts make generalizations based on either few cases or based on lies and zero evidence, brand a whole community as groomers and then try to depict the other side as "groomers" for rightfully calling you out.
Let me start off by saying that this post is a bit vague on details and so I really went back and forth on even replying because I see you’ve been a bit attacked for an assumed intent without too many people asking any clarifying questions. That’s kind of dangerous imo as it’s difficult to truly know intent until you actually ask. I try to never assume bad intent, as it can sometimes just be poor wording.

I honestly think that all those branding people transphobic, for simply having a opinion or view on the contraversy surrounding the community, are simply justifying their grotesque behaviour.

Opinions absolutely can be and even sometimes are transphobic and or bigoted but it 💯 depends on what opinion is being voiced and about what. If someone were to say they hate some community (any minority, up to and including trans people,) that is definitely bigoted… but it’s almost impossible for me to discuss your situation without knowing what specific controversy and or grotesque behavior that we are actually talking about and what opinion is being given on it. Could you be a bit more specific about the particular situations you’re talking about?

There's is no justification for it, they know it, so they attack anyone who doesn't agree.

I try not to assume bad intent on either side but some people are very militant in their views and it can make an actual discussion very difficult and attacking based on assumptions without any clarification has no place in a civil debate. That being said, I don’t agree with racists or bigots and won’t feel bad for arguing against them and their horrible views.

Dangerous game to play if they can't see the damage being done and choose to protect those responsible for the atrocities that are going on.

It could be. This is again, just vague enough to not really mean anything. What damage? What atrocities? And protect whom… from what? I would need to know details and what specific opinion is being voiced (like what you are suggesting even be done,) in order to have an opinion myself. I might be 💯in agreement with you if I knew what. My only problem so far with what you’ve said is that all of these bad terms “controversy” “grotesque behavior” “damage” “atrocities” are fitted around someone apparently accusing you or someone else of being a transphobe in your post. I’d like to think everyone would be against those terms especially in regards to children and we don’t really need to bring gender identity and or orientation into the discussion at all. I assure you that there are many sick deviants among straight folk and lots to discuss there… but it doesn’t make all straight people bad (including priests, government officials, bosses, youth organizers.) Anyhow, words are important and I try to be very cautious as to not inadvertently target an already marginalized and victimized group that largely has not asked for any controversy either… and sometimes how something’s said can make a person come off poorly when they actually aren’t bigoted at all. Protecting children is absolutely a big deal to me and I hope it’s just poor wording here. Be safe and be well. 🌸
If you're against male born people competing in women's sport you're transphobic too 🤦‍♂️
@JakeSetto
And the reason for it being divided is...?

If you can't work that one out on your own, you may have knocked your head a few times. Hopefully you can read one example though, and then apply this logic on a wider scale

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
Slade · 56-60, M
@JakeSetto

On a side note, there's already been like MULTIPLE situations where a trans man (born female) is has consistently beat cisgender men in sports.

Name one...
JakeSetto · 22-25, M
@Slade Patricio Manuel, a trans male... has beat his 3rd cis male opponent, making his record 3-0

https://gayexpress.co.nz/2023/06/worlds-first-trans-male-boxer-wins-third-fight-over-cis-man/#:~:text=Patricio%20Manuel%2C%20the%20trans%2Dmasc,his%20record%20to%203%20%E2%80%93%200.
SUPERVlXEN · F
Do you expect any other outcome for this than you received on your previous account? Maybe look into the mirror and your own behavior before pointing fingers at others for standing up to your agenda.
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@SUPERVlXEN No not at all, just wondering why you feel the need to jump on my posts and be a complete idiot? Just thought I'd give you a chance to explain before blocking. Not keen on whiffy people.
SUPERVlXEN · F
@Purplerain78
I'm not sure how many posts you've created in your current stint here, on your latest account. I have replied to a few of them showing up on my feed. It's how this place runs, we're provided posts on our feeds determined on logarithms. I do speak up against people showing homophobia, transphobia, racism and anti-feminism among others. I guess that's how your posts got on my feed.

I won't be sleepless by the people that have me blocked, most of them will be people like you, no loss at all. Let me give you this quote to you before you block me after your very pathetic try to bash me in a public post, I admit without mentioning my name, addagirl.

“Addressing hate speech does not mean limiting or prohibiting freedom of speech. It means keeping hate speech from escalating into something more dangerous, particularly incitement to discrimination, hostility and violence, which is prohibited under international law.”

— United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres, May 2019
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@SUPERVlXEN oh dear.
SW-User
When the opinion is saying that trans people are evil, or when what they're saying is a downright lie (e.g., trans people want to indoctrinate your children), then there IS a justification for calling them transphobic.

If you don't agree, perhaps you could tell me when calling someone transphobic IS justified.
HannahSky · F
This post is grotesque
Purplerain78 · 46-50, F
@HannahSky I'm sure you'll get over it.
HannahSky · F
@Purplerain78 I hope you do
smiler2012 · 56-60
{@purplerain78] yes a different of opinion and one you are entitled too make and nobody denies that . it is how others perceive it they view it as transphoebic hatred sadly we are not stereotypes and have have quirks folies and fables and it is the lack of understanding by some of this
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Emosaur Would it help if we just said believing it then? Believing it is flawed

Can you prove rationality or is that another uncertainty? Accepting something as fact because you are only 99.9% certain(which the numbers are probably far lower than that anyway) and enforcing it dogmatically as such that there can be no debate and others are "just wrong," is that rational? Because that's you
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Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Emosaur No scientist can destroy me. Of course I don't know that but I welcome them to try because that person will release me.

After all this I don't expect anyone to reject science. How we conduct ourselves can be more important than what we believe and can be counterproductive and damaging to the very ideals we defend.
Wait... are you calling trans people grotesque?
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Don't mind me I quite enjoy watching the sparks fly on here 😅
HotPizza71 · 51-55, M
Blimey,a sensible post at last 😀
As a dysphoric and member of the community for decades myself, it disgusts me to no end that these modern woke leftist militants have taken over, even calling us Elders phobic for demamding they stop. They're doing nothing but alienating allies we have had for years and bringing more violence against us by those that have hated us regardless, giving them more fuel to add to a fire we have been trying to quietly stamp out since the early days, by our trying to keep quiet and stay in the shadows back in the day, then I'm being accused of victim blaming when I point out they're bringing more violence to us that we never seen the likes of before.
@NativePortlander1970 Countdown for the heterosexual, cisgender "ally" to call you a transphobe! 😂

 
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