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Are you familiar with the term "Two spirit" gender identity in Native American culture?

revenant · F
There is a Navajo elderly guy on youtube who would disagree with you.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@LordShadowfire you could have told the security guard, we weren't planning on sacrificing that many people!
val70 · 51-55
@Peaceandnamaste Alright, so one can conclude that your views are different to that on wiki for example at this moment : "Two Spirit" was not intended to be interchangeable with "LGBT Native American" or "Gay Indian"; rather, it was created in English (and then translated into Ojibwe), to serve as a pan-Indian unifier: to be used for general audiences instead of the traditional terms in Indigenous languages for what are diverse, culturally-specific ceremonial and social roles, that can vary widely (if and when they exist at all) ("A Spirit of Belonging, Inside and Out". The New York Times. 8 Oct 2006. Retrieved 28 July 2016). Just wondering when something from the past is something completely the same as something really first used in 1990. Thank you :-)
revenant · F
@val70 well said.
From what I learnt Natives always thought that the soul had no gender anyway but at the time of reincarnation it had to choose either one of the genders for most people.
val70 · 51-55
Although two-spirit implies indeed to some a spiritual nature, that one holds the spirit of two, both male and female, I've read that First Nations peoples view this as a western concept
val70 · 51-55
@LordShadowfire Good, English is my fourth langauge, I have dyslexia, and it's your cultural war. Have a good life :-) do try reading more!
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@val70 It's not a dyslexic thing. All you people misuse the word woke to mean whatever political stance makes you piss your pants in fear.

Blessed be.
val70 · 51-55
@LordShadowfire Nvwadohiyada
deadgerbil · 26-30
Only in the vague sense that societies other than Western ones have a way more fluid/varied perspective of gender
Yes. A friend recently explained it to me. It’s how some tribes have understood and accepted the trans people in their communities.
revenant · F
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revenant · F
@LordShadowfire you are going in circles
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@revenant no u
PatKirby · M
@revenant

I like this video presentation by this man. He makes sense in his discussion that captured my interest. As a quarter Native American myself I listen more and more to their fascinating stories and pay increasing attention to both useful wisdom and the beauty of nature.
Does it involve Elizabeth warren?
PatKirby · M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout

Yes, one spirit speaketh from her left forked tongue while the other speaketh from her right forked tongue.
Budwick · 70-79, M
More dysphoria?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I've been aware of that for years. I think it's hilarious that the right is claiming transgenderism is something new. It's just a new name on the same old thing.
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@LordShadowfire true. Gender fluid identities are ancient and not new.
SW-User
There are practically many transgender people who exist. Also not talking about men who dress like a woman.
ReneeT · 61-69, M
I have not heard of it, but I can truly identify with it. I have always felt "two spirits" within me.
Majorsite · 61-69, M
No, But now aren't there about 65 different genders ?
SilkandLace2 · 46-50, M
I've read about it before, yes
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
@MrBrownstone Is she a conservative?
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@Peaceandnamaste I don’t know.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
There are so many Native American tribes -- this is like Woke F-Troop.
i know that its a term non-indigenous americans use broadly and badly.

And that depending upon the tribe it can have varied meanings/definitions.

And that its one of their 5 (?) gender/personality/spirit types .

im not totally clear on it myself as it changes from region to region, and that its not a literal interpretation of their native language word for it.

 
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