Some people in Qatard are confused.

@LvChris Wow I watched the whole thing and got to the part about Qatar adding billions of infrastructure literally overnight, that's so shady. It sickens me that slavery being one of the crimes against humanity can still be very legal. I hate to say it but the more people support these games, the more they support people like that. John Oliver was hilarious though.

@SatanBurger

No wonder I don't see rainbow armband on Manuel Neuer's arm last night.

@iamelijah Yeah they're trying to do their best to be fascists.

@Northwest I get what you're saying but to me, it seems like they're confused. They clearly think that discrimination is apart of their cultural heritage so to me, they seem a bit confused. I mean there's so much wrong in that statement. That's like me calling a person the N word and then saying "it's my culture, you have to respect it."


I dread when that happens. Things are already pretty bad.

@SW-User
I was being sarcastic 🤌


No they just arrest them or disappear them like a few women in the news over there but that's still just as bad. I mean are we really going into semantics here because I can.


That explains things, you're just like them and birds of a feather.

At any rate, I've said this before but maybe you didn't see that comment. Cons are acting as if this is about not being able to show PDA but people aren't there for relationships. The reason they're even in Qatar was because of a few billionaires who made it happen and bribed them. There is a lot of corruption behind it like how migrants died building the stadiums and the ones who didn't had everything stolen from them.

Cons want to use the excuse about their culture but all kinds of people go to the games and they come from all kinds of backgrounds. When your culture gets offended at everyone who isn't having their husband escort them but yet they want to be ambassadors of the world, can you see this issue or are you not done pretending to be dumb for the sake of argument?

They won't even allow rainbow wristbands which has nothing to do with pdas. This has everything to do with them being anti gay over them being against PDAs.

Then again you're a bad faith actor making bad faith arguments. Cons are anti gay to begin with, that other fascist boot licker on this thread made it perfectly clear that they admire how firm they are in their laws against women and gay people so don't act like you're arguing for any other reason than that.

@SatanBurger Yeah I don't really get what people are getting upset about. Is criticizing it implying that I'm going to go there and try and change their culture? The issue that's being discussed isn't whether we're going to go over there and force them to be pro-gay or whatever.

But there are plenty of examples of Muslims who come to countries like France and kill people if they don't change their culture to accommodate them. 🤷‍♂️ There aren't too many "Bataclan"s in Saudi Arabia. Seems like countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia pretty much get to do what they want, so if you're afraid they're going to be "Western imperialized", you can relax. We're certainly not going to put any pressure on them as long as we need their oil and their money.

"Don't like it, don't go there." Yeah, I'm not going there. So what is your actual problem? Would you tell that to a Muslim immigrant who thinks Westerners shouldn't be drawing Muhammad?

@Viper You are right, that is a very bad decision to hold a world event in a place like that; doesn't make sense.

@SW-User

These pro Qatar people on this thread say one thing but they're really doing another. They don't really care about not disturbing their culture. I know that's what they're saying but it isn't about that. It's because they're of the more "traditionalist" crowd type of people. For example, most far righters (not all but most) are usually garden variety Christians who, on one hand say some racist things regarding Muslims. On the other, they'll praise the Taliban for being anti gay, putting women in their place etc. because they view their culture as strong because of "traditions."

That was just a small example but it's similar on this forum. They say "we shouldn't disturb their culture" but if you look at what they're saying, they agree with their anti LGBT sentiments. The women on this thread you would think would be the last people to agree with Qatar but as long as they have that traditional value set, it kind of goes hand in hand.

These women believe it's their "place" behind a man and so if you take that statement quite literally, it's not really about preserving culture for them, it's about preserving traditional values even if it's homicidal.


Exactly. The World Cup they're holding is illegitimate to begin with. It's well known that there were a few bribes that went their way. Nobody even planned on going there in the first place. So it's really Qatar that's really bossing around the rest of the world.

@Burnley123 They've done exactly the opposite tho, lol

@Burnley123 I was looking at some of their laws that they have towards gay people and women, it's delusional to feel like the criticism is unwarranted after what I read. They really honestly feel like they're victims, that's so sad to be that delusional.

@Elessar Of course. They are not pissed off with people who criticise them for nothing.

@SatanBurger
Ohhh, and this is relevant how? All of the above can play in Qatar so what is your point exactly?


FIFA has engaged in bribes with multiple countries. I suspect that the last several World Cups have been held in each respective country *because* of bribes.

Do ya research, duh.


Yet more mindless trash from you.


How could you say that when you even included what I really said? I never said I "admired their traditional ways", I said that I admired them for being so firm. In the West we aren't very firm, but you don't really know what I was alluding to.


Here's some news for you:

1.) I don't support imprisoning gay people.

2.) Depending on how you define "women's rights", I don't support taking those away.

What I do support is not changing your laws or customs for the sake of appeasing people who want you to change so you can be more like them.

You want them to change so they can mirror you and your views, which makes you a sad little narcissist. Why can't you accept that people who come from different countries are going to have different cultures, which they may wish to uphold? How do you suggest we force Qatar into adapting *your* viewpoints and doing what *you* want them to do? It will be against their will and to the detriment of their religion which is deeply significant to them, so how do you want to change these unwilling subjects? Huh?


Noooo, I'm the one who is putting my own values aside and defending another country's right to not be compelled or forced into change. As you are arguing the opposite, the "extremist" is very clearly you.

The rest of your points are non-sequiturs.

@SW-User can you kindly stfu and go argue your toxic shit on another comment? Stop blowing up my notifications with your page long self mastabatory rambles

@SW-User
Then don't say you admire how firm they are with gay people and women right? You don't want to be seen that way but your actions say otherwise.

Look, @BlueVeins @SatanBurger I live in muslim country and I know they never gonna change even WW3.
They still proudly praciticing backwards mindset.
Do you think they will change? Hell no. In fact, they twisted few things western is promoting Islamophobia after 9/11 incident. Oh they stereotyping us.
Racist mericans, etc. They will play victim when the world against them, they will look petty and sad like the one being discriminated.

Look, its indoctrinated since forever.
Some fully aware of this but they just can't do anything about it. So do I.

@iamelijah Europe used to be every bit as theocratic and totalitarian as the Islamic world is today, and they managed to secularize. Hell, Turkey and Iran both had thriving secularist movements, the latter of which was only cut short by meddling from the US and UK. I realize that defeating religious extremists in government is really difficult and yeah, it's probably not the most likely outcome in places like modern-day Egypt and Afghanistan, but fatalism isn't warranted either.

@BlueVeins Not just government, the culture itself needs to evolve.
But.... I dunno, man.. Maybe after I died. It takes long route going there. Loooong way.

@Ryannnnnn What?

@BlueVeins low hanging fruit dude 🤣

@BlueVeins Haha agreed and nobody should complain because colonialism is apart of culture and going by Qatar's logic, using the excuse of culture should always be justified lmfao

@SW-User ha I didn't say those words at all, just let it rest, wasn't even talking to you either

@SW-User Well, you didn't say those exact words...

@SW-User If the cops catch someone murdering their wife and the murderer tells the cops that murder is OK in their own moral criteria, should the cops accept that answer and leave without arresting them?

@SW-User How so? I dont tolerate their intolerance. The contrary. Canada is a pluralistic free country where you cant oppress people for their faith. Nor can you oppress women or gay people like theocracies like Quatar

@SW-User In that vein nations should never oppose other nations like North Korea that oppress their people.

@JimboSaturn Qatar is a different country and they get their values from their religion

Not accepting their right to operate their country how they see fit does make you intolerant.

@SatanBurger Yes, that is correct, and it's not an insult to point out deficiency in a conversation.

I wasn't arguing anti-gay sentiment. I clarified that such sentiment may be included as part of a cultural principle or belief. Every possible subdivision is seen in anthropology and other sciences and a culture. People from La Jolla have a culture. Italians have a culture. Surfers are a culture, tattooed people, musicians and artists, financial workers. These are all cultures. It's not as easy as Hispanic-black-white.

I'm sorry for what you "think." I offered current research and definition. That's what stands in society, not hunches.

@Doomflower American priorities. Be aware of the atrocities, ignore the atrocities in favor of pleasure.

@SW-User I don't agree with that. What's that make me?

@SW-User "Bleeding heart liberals" aren't defending this; conservatives have been cloaking homophobia in the language of anti-colonialism. There's a big difference.

@BlueVeins Fair enough. Kind of like how "ecofascists" cloak their genocide-sympathy in "protecting the environment".

@SW-User You're projecting.

@SW-User he blocks without any good reason so I wouldn't mind it.

@SW-User Agreed and it sucks because you can't talk logical with irrational people who use emotions to rule over them rather than reason. You can't just have a conversation with them because it's basically a dead end. You might as well be talking to a wall which is horrifying because those walls make laws and govern over people.

@MethDozer Well you may be right. I can't put my finger on it but it just seems wrong to say that discrimination is apart of "natural" culture. When I think of culture I think of more like religious holidays, customs things like that. Like Christians have Christmas and Muslims have their holidays, Wiccans have their customs on certain days of the moon. I don't think of things like "I'm against gay people so it's my culture."

@SatanBurger You mention religion. Some of those biases are rooted in religous observation.

@MethDozer That makes sense, I guess culture is really sociological in a sense.. anything can be culture. Still a crappy excuse though, that's kind of like the people who go around spewing hate speech and then yelling about freedom of speech. No one buys that.