Some people in Qatard are confused.

@Viper In a way create unnecessary trouble yeah

@SW-User Yeah, apparently Qatar promised to be a lot more lenient...

Then when it came close to eh World Cup, they changed their word and said, yeah, we're not changing a thing afterall.

@Viper false promises

@Viper I don't give anybody a pass when it comes to bigotry. Even if you genuinely don't know better because that's what you were taught, if I tell you that hatred of any group isn't cool, and you tell me to fuck myself, I'm going to write you off as a human being.

@Viper
lol, as if

They were lying to get people to support them and encourage fans to go there

@Viper I blame both groups, I blame Qatar and the idiots that put the World Cup there.

@LordShadowfire @SatanBurger

It's their land and their way... of you don't like it, don't go there...

Does that make it right? Absolutely not.


But you would absolutely hate it if some outsiders came to your lands and forced you to go by rules y'all didn't believe in.

There just going by the rules they normally have in that country... (which those rules might absolutely suck, but those are the rules (currently))...


Just like the rules I'm your country are the rules (currently)....

You can dislike the rules, but certainly you can be respectful about a Nation standing up for the rules they have decided (maybe extremely stupidity decided, but decided none the less) to put in place.

@Viper There's absolutely nothing I can do about their beliefs, you're trying to act as if I'm some authoritarian coming in telling them not to stone gay people to death, they'll kill gay people and be regressive in women's rights anyways, I get that.

With that said, if I want to care about human rights, why does it bother you so much that I care? You're not going to get me to stop caring, I'll care all day if I want to and you can't make me not care. I'll care if I want to, I'll write about it if I want to, I'll protest all I want to.

We cool?

Good.

@Viper This is true.. ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

@SatanBurger Yeah I don't really get what people are getting upset about. Is criticizing it implying that I'm going to go there and try and change their culture? The issue that's being discussed isn't whether we're going to go over there and force them to be pro-gay or whatever.

But there are plenty of examples of Muslims who come to countries like France and kill people if they don't change their culture to accommodate them. 🤷‍♂️ There aren't too many "Bataclan"s in Saudi Arabia. Seems like countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia pretty much get to do what they want, so if you're afraid they're going to be "Western imperialized", you can relax. We're certainly not going to put any pressure on them as long as we need their oil and their money.

"Don't like it, don't go there." Yeah, I'm not going there. So what is your actual problem? Would you tell that to a Muslim immigrant who thinks Westerners shouldn't be drawing Muhammad?

@Viper You are right, that is a very bad decision to hold a world event in a place like that; doesn't make sense.

@SW-User

These pro Qatar people on this thread say one thing but they're really doing another. They don't really care about not disturbing their culture. I know that's what they're saying but it isn't about that. It's because they're of the more "traditionalist" crowd type of people. For example, most far righters (not all but most) are usually garden variety Christians who, on one hand say some racist things regarding Muslims. On the other, they'll praise the Taliban for being anti gay, putting women in their place etc. because they view their culture as strong because of "traditions."

That was just a small example but it's similar on this forum. They say "we shouldn't disturb their culture" but if you look at what they're saying, they agree with their anti LGBT sentiments. The women on this thread you would think would be the last people to agree with Qatar but as long as they have that traditional value set, it kind of goes hand in hand.

These women believe it's their "place" behind a man and so if you take that statement quite literally, it's not really about preserving culture for them, it's about preserving traditional values even if it's homicidal.


Exactly. The World Cup they're holding is illegitimate to begin with. It's well known that there were a few bribes that went their way. Nobody even planned on going there in the first place. So it's really Qatar that's really bossing around the rest of the world.