Some people in Qatard are confused.

@Ryannnnnn ??? The fact Qatar wanted the games, despite knowing about the nature of fans,alcohol use, etc, do you condone the way Qatar is treating public?

@samueltyler2 whether I condone or not changes nothing, it's something so far away that I kinda don't care. That's my genuine honest answer

@Ryannnnnn your choice, but some of us do care about how people are treated, regardless of where, and don't feel that we should support the mistreatment of others.

@samueltyler2 well I did say I don't agree with their treatment of people. But I can't change it so I narrow my things down to what's in my life.

@Ryannnnnn I am not saying you yourself, but "we" can effect a change if "we" do something collectively.

@Ryannnnnn The West didn't want to host it in Qatar, it was the very few billionaires who own whatever business, they don't speak for "all of us." People who enjoy the games are really just average citizens, they sure didn't run it by us. So it's not "the West" per se but a select few corrupt individuals who should be put in prison. There's lots of shady stuff with Qatar and the games that went down, see LVChris's response with John Oliver, he is hilarious as always but gets into some really shady stuff that went down with it.

@samueltyler2
rofl

a sane person wouldn't go there if they aren't prepared to respect their culture and customs

@SW-User maybe, if that same person knew in advance what the significance of the rules are! That person payed to attend and expected the kind of reception they would receive on other FIFA venues.

@SW-User Gay people live in those countries too so whose customs are you referring to? You're referring to a select group of elites who decide how people worship, saying that it's their "customs" at the expense of everyone else.

@samueltyler2 except it's in Qatar which everyone knows is a Muslim country with very strict rules.

Saying "uhh but it's fifa" is so pathetic because their "venues" are in their country, and their country has its rules...and they are very different to yours.

@SatanBurger omg

What is actually wrong with you?!

@SatanBurger they have those rules because of their religion, duh

@SW-User I think the argument is that you shouldn't host an international sporting event as big as that in a place where lots of people won't even be allowed in.

@Ryannnnnn oh reallyyy?

I think they were allowed to host the World Cup 😂

Qatar wanted it for status and because their sheikhs like football lol. Whether they should be allowed or not is irrelevant because other countries where human rights are abused have been allowed to host the World Cup. Moreover, IF you don't like their rules and aren't willing to adapt your behavior then you should not go there.

Not all countries mirror the West and I'm glad they don't...that's what real diversity is.

@SW-User
Cannibalism is apart of people's religious beliefs too. Would you respect their rules if they wanted to eat you? I find that there's something self destructive about you and it's for that reason that I suspect is at the heart of your belief system. A person that doesn't respect their own lives couldn't possibly respect other people's right to life, like gay people. Your own self destructiveness and how you feel about yourself carries further towards others, this is why you're wrong.

@SatanBurger lolol, so someone is self-destructive if they disagree with you?

There are a few fundamental issues you've very conveniently ignored, and they are failing to consider that I may not agree with Qatar to the extent that I support their laws AND that I may contest people who come to Western countries and try to dictate to our customs. My argument is centered around individuals traveling to Qatar and then complaining about their culture and laws. If we don't like it when Muslims come here and do that, why should we do it to them?

As is always the case with you, your stance is biased, myopic, and totally lacking in critical thought.

@SW-User
The world cup features many players from around the world. Players who may be atheist, gay, Christian, black, white, pagan, straight, married etc. etc. FIFA mainly got people to play there through bribes and it was a select few individuals responsible for that. So the reason they're even there in the first place is for very illegitimate reasons which makes your reason for defending Qatar a moot point to begin with.

Qatar says respect their culture but no one's going there to disrespect their culture, they're going there to play games. They just may happen to be gay and wear the rainbow to represent themselves. Qatar just sees it as disrespect but it's not really disrespectful, they just can't stand the fact that people aren't majority Muslim and/or have the same beliefs as them.

Which is this even an argument? It really shouldn't be.

I could see it if people from other countries came and were being disrespectfully racist towards Muslims like disrespecting Mosques and calling them names but disrespect to Qatar at least, just means having gay people there because they don't like gay people. Knowing that different people from all walks of life seems to bother them.

It's not disrespectful in the least, there's no physical or verbal harassment of Muslims in Qatar, they just don't like gay people existing and their own personal feelings is on them. Bigotry shouldn't be seen as a "right" sorry not sorry.


You've said in your own words that you admire their traditional ways:


They imprison gay people and take away women's rights. Yet you admire how "firm" they are in their laws. If you didn't support their laws, you wouldn't be saying that.

You also wouldn't be saying that the West is weak, it's how I know you're an extremist. Back before modern day, abuse wasn't really a thing especially domestic abuse. For instance rape wasn't really seen as rape if it involved a husband even if he was abusive. Divorce also was heavily frowned upon so people kind had to deal with their abusive spouse whether they liked it or not unless they eventually took an ax to them.

Kids weren't seen as kids means they could have children working in factories much like developing worlds during modern day. I'll never forget seeing a 4 year old chimney sweeper. Like look, I don't doubt that his parents loved him but for the longest kids weren't kids. They were expected to grow up at 12 and have babies by 13 years old. I've seen people who were raised like that and they are almost full of trauma.

But hey maybe we should go back to that because to you, this means that the United States of before was "strong" err somehow. And you expect me not to find your viewpoint as self destructive?

And oh yeah, saying you're self destructive has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, it has everything to do with the "types" of people you so defend.

@SatanBurger
Ohhh, and this is relevant how? All of the above can play in Qatar so what is your point exactly?


FIFA has engaged in bribes with multiple countries. I suspect that the last several World Cups have been held in each respective country *because* of bribes.

Do ya research, duh.


Yet more mindless trash from you.


How could you say that when you even included what I really said? I never said I "admired their traditional ways", I said that I admired them for being so firm. In the West we aren't very firm, but you don't really know what I was alluding to.


Here's some news for you:

1.) I don't support imprisoning gay people.

2.) Depending on how you define "women's rights", I don't support taking those away.

What I do support is not changing your laws or customs for the sake of appeasing people who want you to change so you can be more like them.

You want them to change so they can mirror you and your views, which makes you a sad little narcissist. Why can't you accept that people who come from different countries are going to have different cultures, which they may wish to uphold? How do you suggest we force Qatar into adapting *your* viewpoints and doing what *you* want them to do? It will be against their will and to the detriment of their religion which is deeply significant to them, so how do you want to change these unwilling subjects? Huh?


Noooo, I'm the one who is putting my own values aside and defending another country's right to not be compelled or forced into change. As you are arguing the opposite, the "extremist" is very clearly you.

The rest of your points are non-sequiturs.

@SW-User can you kindly stfu and go argue your toxic shit on another comment? Stop blowing up my notifications with your page long self mastabatory rambles

@SW-User
Then don't say you admire how firm they are with gay people and women right? You don't want to be seen that way but your actions say otherwise.