Why do some politicians want to decriminalize crime?
I believe they do it, in order to make the crime rate statistics look good.
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Fungirlmmm · 51-55, F
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
@Fungirlmmm Many Sheriffs and Sheriff's deputies were outlaws turned law enforcers back in the days of the Old West.
It's a true fact.
It's a true fact.
BizSuitStacy · M
Decriminalizing illegal activities creates outrage and causes the public to demand a solution. The cure is often worse than the disease. Politicians have been doing this for decades.
Look no further than the democrats position on the border. They ignored border security for 3 years and allowed millions to enter illegally including violent criminals, terrorists, and single military aged men into the country. And for 3 years, Biden claimed the border was secure. NOW the dems admit there's a problem and they need to fix the border. But instead of simply enforcing existing immigration laws, and ignoring the fact that the executive branch has the ultimate authority to secure the border, they claim Congress has to pass a law to provide the solution. Their solution is a bill filled with pork and would grant citizenship to millions of illegals to create a permanent voting super majority...which is what they really want.
Look no further than the democrats position on the border. They ignored border security for 3 years and allowed millions to enter illegally including violent criminals, terrorists, and single military aged men into the country. And for 3 years, Biden claimed the border was secure. NOW the dems admit there's a problem and they need to fix the border. But instead of simply enforcing existing immigration laws, and ignoring the fact that the executive branch has the ultimate authority to secure the border, they claim Congress has to pass a law to provide the solution. Their solution is a bill filled with pork and would grant citizenship to millions of illegals to create a permanent voting super majority...which is what they really want.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@BizSuitStacy Thank you. Anything negotiated by Mitch McConnel is not worth the paper it was printed on.
If the Biden administration really cares about securing the border, the first thing they can do is stop hamstringing the southern border states from enforcing their own borders. They are still pushing to prevent Texas from managing its border.
If the Biden administration really cares about securing the border, the first thing they can do is stop hamstringing the southern border states from enforcing their own borders. They are still pushing to prevent Texas from managing its border.
4meAndyou · F
If we go back in time, and think about when this first started, we find Patrisse Cullors, one of the three women who founded the Black Lives Matter movement. These three women were openly communist, and Patrisse Cullors also had a brother who had, (she said), been jailed unjustly and her brother was beaten severely while in the county jail, by the police, according to Cullors.
When the whole incident with George Floyd occurred, and the Black Lives Matter movement caught fire, the defund the police movement began.
There was a widely spread, and true, rumor that black men were incarcerated far more often than white men. This was because when we examine the statistics, black men do commit more crimes than white men, or men of any other race.
During this whole period, a few years ago, politicians on the far left began to try to please the BLM people. BLM wanted jails to be emptied, so that social justice could be served. That process was begun. Leftists began to examine the types of crime for which black men were most often jailed. Those included drunk driving, possession of drugs, petty theft, assaults, etc. So, how to stop arresting and jailing so many black men? Decriminalize their favorite crimes.
Politicians are still trying to please the far left BLM movement. It's part of the communist plan to create anarchy, and releasing criminals back into society is NOT done solely to help us stop paying for prisons.
When the whole incident with George Floyd occurred, and the Black Lives Matter movement caught fire, the defund the police movement began.
There was a widely spread, and true, rumor that black men were incarcerated far more often than white men. This was because when we examine the statistics, black men do commit more crimes than white men, or men of any other race.
During this whole period, a few years ago, politicians on the far left began to try to please the BLM people. BLM wanted jails to be emptied, so that social justice could be served. That process was begun. Leftists began to examine the types of crime for which black men were most often jailed. Those included drunk driving, possession of drugs, petty theft, assaults, etc. So, how to stop arresting and jailing so many black men? Decriminalize their favorite crimes.
Politicians are still trying to please the far left BLM movement. It's part of the communist plan to create anarchy, and releasing criminals back into society is NOT done solely to help us stop paying for prisons.
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JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@laurieluvsit Not really.
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WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@calicuz We have a shorter list that is much broader and you guys seem to have a longer list of narrowly defined rights.
What is very different is when it comes to freedom of expression we also have well defined exceptions for hate speech so we don't have nazis using it as a loophole.
What is very different is when it comes to freedom of expression we also have well defined exceptions for hate speech so we don't have nazis using it as a loophole.
calicuz · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Yes, our lower courts have ruled that "speech that incites, or leads to, violence" is not free speech.
Yes, our lower courts have ruled that "speech that incites, or leads to, violence" is not free speech.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Call it what you want. What was the crime? who got hurt?
And please tell us why they are charging 100% for his appeal, instead of the 10% that
everyone else has to pay. I will tell you, it's political. You do know that the DA has already
told others that have bloviated their worth, that they will not be charged like Trump. Why?
because they are not running for the Whitehouse. Again ALL POLITICS. FYI. I do not
even like Trump. And You are a naive partisan hack.
And please tell us why they are charging 100% for his appeal, instead of the 10% that
everyone else has to pay. I will tell you, it's political. You do know that the DA has already
told others that have bloviated their worth, that they will not be charged like Trump. Why?
because they are not running for the Whitehouse. Again ALL POLITICS. FYI. I do not
even like Trump. And You are a naive partisan hack.
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FreestyleArt · 31-35, M
Because Trump is helping us/People to get our country back while we continue to support him.
They hate that and trying to destroy it.
It's corporate interest is against Trump because they don't want to following the Conditional rights...which is why there is censorship as well.
They hate that and trying to destroy it.
It's corporate interest is against Trump because they don't want to following the Conditional rights...which is why there is censorship as well.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
BohemianBoo · M
NoThanksLeon · M
Merkabah · 22-25, F
Why does the United States have so many people incarcerated?
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan [quote]How so? Are you talking about the Philippine people that bring slaves
from their home country?[/quote]
Savery is still legal in America per the constitution. It was allowed to continue as a way for the slavers to ensure a supply of cheap labor by giving them a way to charge Blacks with crimes and use them as slaves as their punishment. The practice continues to this very minute. Some States have deleted the slavery clause from their State constitutions but it's still in the federal constitution Therefore, if the feds wanted to they could sell you a federal prisoner to be your slave for a set time period. Of course the prisoner may get pissed and kill you but that's another issue.
[b]Yes, Slavery Is on the Ballot in These States[/b]
AUGUST 22, 2022 12:00 AM
"More than 150 years after it was officially outlawed in the United States, slavery will be on the ballot in five states in November, as a new abolitionist movement seeks to reshape prison labor.
Voters in Alabama, Louisiana, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont will decide on state constitutional amendments prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, in some cases except for work by incarcerated people. Advocates say the amendments are needed to strip antiquated language from state constitutions and to potentially transform the criminal justice system by making all work in prisons voluntary.
Three states — Colorado, Nebraska and Utah — have approved similar ballot initiatives since 2018.
About 20 state constitutions have exception clauses that allow either slavery or involuntary servitude as punishment for crime. Vermont prides itself on being the first in the nation to ban slavery in 1777, but its constitution allows involuntary servitude in certain circumstances, such as to pay a debt, damage, fine or other cost.
There’s a debate over whether removing the exception clauses in the U.S. Constitution and state constitutions would be largely symbolic, or whether it could lead to significant change in the prison system. Advocates say the symbolism is important, given the shameful historic context, but also that banning involuntary servitude could be a steppingstone to improving the pay and working conditions of incarcerated people.
So far, no state that has passed the amendment has changed its prison work rules, but lawsuits to force changes are likely."
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment#:~:text=The%2013th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20United%20States%20Constitution%20provides%20that,place%20subject%20to%20their%20jurisdiction."
[b]“Except as Punishment for a Crime”
The Thirteenth Amendment and the Rebirth of Chattel Imprisonment[/b]
https://blogs.law.columbia.edu/abolition1313/files/2020/08/Childs-Slaves-of-the-State-Ch.-2-2.pdf
[b][c=BF0000]Article I, Alabama Constitution[/c][/b]
[b]Sec. 32. Slavery prohibited; involuntary servitude.[/b]
[c=BF0000]"That no form of slavery shall exist in this state; and there shall not be any involuntary servitude"[/c]
Article 1, Indiana Constitution
[b]Text of Section 37:[/b]
"Slavery--Prohibition
[c=BF0000]There shall be neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, within the State, otherwise than for the punishment of crimes,[/c] whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."
[b]So, Alabama forbids slavery but Indiana allows it.[/b]
from their home country?[/quote]
Savery is still legal in America per the constitution. It was allowed to continue as a way for the slavers to ensure a supply of cheap labor by giving them a way to charge Blacks with crimes and use them as slaves as their punishment. The practice continues to this very minute. Some States have deleted the slavery clause from their State constitutions but it's still in the federal constitution Therefore, if the feds wanted to they could sell you a federal prisoner to be your slave for a set time period. Of course the prisoner may get pissed and kill you but that's another issue.
[b]Yes, Slavery Is on the Ballot in These States[/b]
AUGUST 22, 2022 12:00 AM
"More than 150 years after it was officially outlawed in the United States, slavery will be on the ballot in five states in November, as a new abolitionist movement seeks to reshape prison labor.
Voters in Alabama, Louisiana, Oregon, Tennessee and Vermont will decide on state constitutional amendments prohibiting slavery and involuntary servitude, in some cases except for work by incarcerated people. Advocates say the amendments are needed to strip antiquated language from state constitutions and to potentially transform the criminal justice system by making all work in prisons voluntary.
Three states — Colorado, Nebraska and Utah — have approved similar ballot initiatives since 2018.
About 20 state constitutions have exception clauses that allow either slavery or involuntary servitude as punishment for crime. Vermont prides itself on being the first in the nation to ban slavery in 1777, but its constitution allows involuntary servitude in certain circumstances, such as to pay a debt, damage, fine or other cost.
There’s a debate over whether removing the exception clauses in the U.S. Constitution and state constitutions would be largely symbolic, or whether it could lead to significant change in the prison system. Advocates say the symbolism is important, given the shameful historic context, but also that banning involuntary servitude could be a steppingstone to improving the pay and working conditions of incarcerated people.
So far, no state that has passed the amendment has changed its prison work rules, but lawsuits to force changes are likely."
The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment#:~:text=The%2013th%20Amendment%20to%20the%20United%20States%20Constitution%20provides%20that,place%20subject%20to%20their%20jurisdiction."
[b]“Except as Punishment for a Crime”
The Thirteenth Amendment and the Rebirth of Chattel Imprisonment[/b]
https://blogs.law.columbia.edu/abolition1313/files/2020/08/Childs-Slaves-of-the-State-Ch.-2-2.pdf
[b][c=BF0000]Article I, Alabama Constitution[/c][/b]
[b]Sec. 32. Slavery prohibited; involuntary servitude.[/b]
[c=BF0000]"That no form of slavery shall exist in this state; and there shall not be any involuntary servitude"[/c]
Article 1, Indiana Constitution
[b]Text of Section 37:[/b]
"Slavery--Prohibition
[c=BF0000]There shall be neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude, within the State, otherwise than for the punishment of crimes,[/c] whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."
[b]So, Alabama forbids slavery but Indiana allows it.[/b]
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Diotrephes Why aren't you down there helping the slaves? It's really sick for
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan [quote]Why aren't you down there helping the slaves? It's really sick for
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.[/quote]
Your knowledge of American society and culture is ZERO. Is that why you consider yourself to be a dog?
[b]Slavery and the Modern-Day Prison Plantation[/b]
“Except as punishment for a crime,” reads the constitutional exception to abolition. In prison plantations across the United States, slavery thrives.
[c=BF0000]November 8, 2023[/c]
https://daily.jstor.org/slavery-and-the-modern-day-prison-plantation/
[b]Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers[/b]
[c=BF0000]June 15, 2022[/c]
https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers
you to believe that slavery is going on, and you are doing nothing about it.[/quote]
Your knowledge of American society and culture is ZERO. Is that why you consider yourself to be a dog?
[b]Slavery and the Modern-Day Prison Plantation[/b]
“Except as punishment for a crime,” reads the constitutional exception to abolition. In prison plantations across the United States, slavery thrives.
[c=BF0000]November 8, 2023[/c]
https://daily.jstor.org/slavery-and-the-modern-day-prison-plantation/
[b]Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers[/b]
[c=BF0000]June 15, 2022[/c]
https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers
akindheart · 61-69, F
DiegoWolfe · 36-40
at a certain point getting arrested looses you the right to vote, if you get released from jail and your crime gets de-criminalized then you can vote again, and maybe you will vote for the person who got you out
familyfunguy · 56-60, M
Decriminalizing self defense would be nice.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@familyfunguy Please. What nonsense. Kyle Rittenhouse proved murder can be argued successfully as self defense in the US.
familyfunguy · 56-60, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow If you hit someone who hit you first, you have a good chance at getting arrested, at least if it's in a "right to retreat state".
Policies like that are the actual nonsense.
Policies like that are the actual nonsense.
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MartinII · 70-79, M
Similarly, the police in the UK refuse to investigate or even acknowledge many crimes.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DogMan Every conceviable act known to man is illegal somewhere.
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PleasurePunch · 100+
they are politicians not people
robertsnj · 56-60, M
which crime are you referring to?
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@BigGuy2 I tend to agree but we have seen politicians shot, and no doubt somewhere, perhaps not close enough we’re security personnel.
Well it hasn’t been a news item
Lately but a few months back a Minnesota city councilwomen who was of the defund the police mindset got viciously carjacked. Luckily she/ children weren’t killed. But she was outraged and demanded action…true politician!
Well it hasn’t been a news item
Lately but a few months back a Minnesota city councilwomen who was of the defund the police mindset got viciously carjacked. Luckily she/ children weren’t killed. But she was outraged and demanded action…true politician!
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