ArishMell · 70-79, M
Only if the murder was exceptionally evil and the murderer was unlikely ever to be safe to be released.
If the murderer can be rehabilitated, and is not likely to be a threat to anyone, then ending a long prison sentence with eventual release under licence should certainly be an option.
The "Full Life Tariff" is rare, but does show those killers can never be trusted again. Some are psychopaths in the true sense, and cannot be "cured".
If the murderer can be rehabilitated, and is not likely to be a threat to anyone, then ending a long prison sentence with eventual release under licence should certainly be an option.
The "Full Life Tariff" is rare, but does show those killers can never be trusted again. Some are psychopaths in the true sense, and cannot be "cured".
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@peterlee I think you are confusing manslaughter and murder and people who were found to be accessories rather than the person responsible for the death. Because I have no idea whether these men have any remorse or are still a risk, I cannot judge whether they deserve more incarceration, but just because someone holds reprehensible attitudes doesn't mean we have to keep them inside.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@peterlee The death was horrific and no sentence will ever satisfy most people. Emotionally it will be impossible for a victim to ever be objective about what constitutes justice. That's why we have a dispassionate court system. If our country was not so keen on sending so many people to prison to make us feel better, then perhaps some sentences can be served 'inside' for longer, but it depends on what role we want prisons to play in the overall justice system.
SirLirkALot · 46-50, M
maybe send them to a desert Island colony
Probably so. And some heinous crimes, they should NEVER see the light of day again…
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
No, they should be shot into the sun with those orbital slingshots that they use to send satellites into the stratosphere.
Then, we should be allowed to place bets on it. Make it into a national event.
Then, we should be allowed to place bets on it. Make it into a national event.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I think they should do a better job at sorting them out to begin with. Putting people who have murdered dozens because they "wanted watch things die" or something equally evil should NOT be in the same space as someone who say... murdered their father in a reactionary way after years of abuse and just couldn't go through it anymore.
Putting the second in with the first can over a length of time change someone who is otherwise mild mannered and possibly for the first time in their life feeling safe and free from abuse in a situation where they'd need to fight for their life(yet again), do things they wouldn't ever want to or dream of, be forced to possibly reoffend and become something they might never have. Nevermind the likelihood of becoming a rape victim. There is SO much to consider there and yet they're all thrown together like crabs in a bucket. A lifer has nothing left to lose... Same as those with decades and they DO sabotage those on short time.
Some who kill should be separate or not there at all.
Putting the second in with the first can over a length of time change someone who is otherwise mild mannered and possibly for the first time in their life feeling safe and free from abuse in a situation where they'd need to fight for their life(yet again), do things they wouldn't ever want to or dream of, be forced to possibly reoffend and become something they might never have. Nevermind the likelihood of becoming a rape victim. There is SO much to consider there and yet they're all thrown together like crabs in a bucket. A lifer has nothing left to lose... Same as those with decades and they DO sabotage those on short time.
Some who kill should be separate or not there at all.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@DancingStarGoddess I wasn't trying to correct you but not knowing which country you live in, I didn't know if you know of the UK's Court methods.
Yes, I agree incarcerating serious criminals together can lead to the lesser one being "infected" by the more serious; but I don't think that's the only or even main reason for recidivism or failure of rehabilitation.
Un-premidated killing (more likely manslaughter than murder) after years of abuse does indeed occur; but at least the chance of that person killing anyone else is usually very low.
Yes, I agree incarcerating serious criminals together can lead to the lesser one being "infected" by the more serious; but I don't think that's the only or even main reason for recidivism or failure of rehabilitation.
Un-premidated killing (more likely manslaughter than murder) after years of abuse does indeed occur; but at least the chance of that person killing anyone else is usually very low.
@ArishMell it's usually very low until they they end up in those situations with more dangerous people. which is why i wrote the things i did. being in the same spaces with say, someone who is a lifer and has nothing to lose by attacking them to take their things could be an issue. or someone who would just take the chance to attack another because they've managed to maintain a drug habit even inside of prison. all of these things are entirely possible. As are being sexually assaulted. imagine just being someone wanting to do your time and do better, then being put in the same place as someone who doesn't think your life means anything in the grand scheme of things because killing, raping or harming others is nothing to them. that's a very, VERY serious reality for a lot of people all over the world.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@DancingStarGoddess Oh, yes, some prisons are very dangerous places for inmates and staff alike.
I agree that ideally prisoners should be sorted and kept apart according to their own circumstances, and I think the service does try to do that, although gaols in the UK are so full it is increasingly hard to do so there.
I agree that ideally prisoners should be sorted and kept apart according to their own circumstances, and I think the service does try to do that, although gaols in the UK are so full it is increasingly hard to do so there.
Adroneandastrain · 46-50, M
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
bijouxbroussard · F
Murderers, yes. Cases of manslaughter or accidental homicide might have extenuating circumstances.
The members of the Manson Family keep coming up for parole, which I will never understand.
They were originally sentenced to death.
Because of a period when California’s death penalty was repealed, (it has since been reinstated) they were taken off Death Row, but parole should never have been an option.
Should they ever be released ? No, imo—not as long as Sharon Tate, her friends and the LaBiancas are still dead. 😞
The members of the Manson Family keep coming up for parole, which I will never understand.
They were originally sentenced to death.
Because of a period when California’s death penalty was repealed, (it has since been reinstated) they were taken off Death Row, but parole should never have been an option.
Should they ever be released ? No, imo—not as long as Sharon Tate, her friends and the LaBiancas are still dead. 😞
Dan193 · 31-35, M
Could people that muder be mentally ill in some way?
@Dan193
Unless they have an inability to understand what they were doing and how that would affect the other person then yes, of course they deserve the life sentence.
Compassion for the criminally insane should be reserved for people experiencing a break from reality or those who are cognitively unable to understand what they're doing.
It does not extend to people who couldn't control their temper or who got drunk and violent etc.
Unless they have an inability to understand what they were doing and how that would affect the other person then yes, of course they deserve the life sentence.
Compassion for the criminally insane should be reserved for people experiencing a break from reality or those who are cognitively unable to understand what they're doing.
It does not extend to people who couldn't control their temper or who got drunk and violent etc.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
It all depends upon the context. The risk that the criminal poses to society and the potential for rehabilitation. Complex questions that should ultimately lie with parole boards, not popular opinion.
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DunningKruger · 61-69, M
Depends on the case and the convicted.
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Lobotomise and make them work
val70 · 56-60
Already as a teenager I argued against the death penalty. I'm sure that a full life in prison is that. I go back to the words said by Morgan Freeman in that famous movie. Red questions the meaning of the word "rehabilitated" and explains why it's just a made-up word.
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AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@AdmiralPrune What about the guy released last year after serving 38yrs for the murder he didn't commit?
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
@FreddieUK That is a possibility certainly.
TexChik · F