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How do you feel about the decline of long-form posts?

Personally I've come to terms with it.

Literacy rates are extremely high; being able to write a lot is not a flex anymore.

And the modern world demands so much attention there isnt much left to waste.

I try to convey as much meaning in as little words as possible.

It's hard, though, having come from formal education. Word quotas and whatnot; we were taught the opposite.

What do you think?
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I'm pretty verbose, but more and more I've started backspacing and chopping down things bc I realized people just don't want to read. Especially if it has no accompanying image or something which makes me sad.

Everyone seems to need so much visual stimulation versus using their own imagination or simply reading what's there for details and clues or even simply asking questions and engaging in real, meaningful conversation and banter. And to echo the sentiment of others here, many posts I've read are very long but saying nothing or worse... What they ARE saying makes me look at the author in a much less flattering light which has been happening more and more lately.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
The problem isn't the long-form posts themselves. The problem is that it got largely misused for content that turned out to be deceiving and with AI this is becoming even a bigger problem. Therefore people learned to not invest their time and energy into something that is just slop. Either AI or some fake persona. It is hard to tell the quality of the content right of the bat without delving into it so I think most people just ignore it altogether because they expect it's just going to be a waste of their time. I guess we rather just choose a book to read instead.

Another thing: we were manipulated into thinking that older posts lost their value and only what is present is worth our attention. I saw this decline in real time. Back in 2012 this wasn't a thing at all. It was pretty normal to respond to posts from years ago and the authors often actually responded back without stupid remarks as "dO yOu TraVeL iN TiMe? ". Of course that there are types of posts that are only relevant for a specific time frame but people started acting as if it applied to everything on social media and therefore even longer posts intended to be read when the person interested in the topic has time or is in the mood to read such content get lost now. Authors started thinking: "nobody is going to be interested in this in a month" so they delete it or "archive" on Reddit so you can't contribute even if you just came across it now or it is relevant to you now, not 3 years ago.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@jehova But the original post gathered people interested in the topic that might be interested in your input that could lead to some discussion. If you create a new post they wouldn't be involved in it.
jehova · 36-40, M
@CrazyMusicLover I’m not being clear; so it’s a new post OF the old post and all it’s associated parts sort of a repost of the OP with your newest comment added as a place for all previous information to be stored. Is that more clear? It is the original post but with a new heading, title, or time stamp! I did it here it is again kinda thing. Things time out if they don’t get modified amended or similar
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@jehova Ah, I see.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
That, like most things, neither extreme is absolutely the only way to go.

My problem with the brevity demanded by most social media is that so much context and nuance is lost, and the resulting mishmash can be interpreted multiple ways or makes no sense.

Otoh, as already stated, lengthy discourses can obfuscate the underlying message with wordiness for the sake of appearing knowledgeable or erudite. And some times the clearest, most incisive statement is very short.

General McAuliffe's response to the German demand to surrender at the Battle of the Bulge comes to mind: "Nuts!"
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CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@MyMonstersAreReal

I definitely understand where you're coming from. It can feel like being genuine and expressive is less appreciated these days.

Obviously, not all long form posts are created equal.

But those long, deep, emotional, well written posts you use to be able to find in forums like this?

Yeah. I definitely miss those too 😕.
@MyMonstersAreReal Engaging conversations usually start with short exchanges that grow longer as the conversation continues among engaged participants. My thoughts for why we see so few engaging conversations here is that most probably take engaging conversations private.
StarLily · 51-55, F
@MyMonstersAreReal
I feel the same way about everything you said!
SwampFlower · 31-35, F
I miss long form personal blogs from back in the day. SW isn’t quite it but it kind of scratches the itch sometimes.

But to be honest my attention span isn’t what it used to be either.
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@SwampFlower Ditto.

Every now and again I find an engaging novel of a post, but most of the time i can only suffer a few paragraphs.

I read a lot of academic books, and that widens my attention span somewhat, but I prefer conciseness.

To me, being able to say a lot in a little is an art in and of itself.
Miram · 31-35, F
I usually create what I want to see, regardless of the supply and demand.

Maybe I tend to be more transparent than many here, which is why I still make long posts every now and then. People have reasons to hold back and give less. It is not just the short attention span.
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@Miram become the change you want to see and whatnot. I dig it!
Brings to mine one of my favorite Mark Twain quotes:

"If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter."

Concise writing takes more effort and thought than a long, rambling script.
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@Heartlander i agree!
TurtlePink · 51-55, M
Nobody ever reads my long rants 🤣🤣

But yeah, I’ve noticed a switch. If I post something long, I’m less likely to get comments, but if I post something that only has a header, it gets more comments.
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@TurtlePink there does seem to be an inverse relationship between post length and engagement.

However, longer posts - if information dense relative to size and having a good word flow - do seem to get higher quality responses even if they are fewer in number.
TurtlePink · 51-55, M
@CynicalSpaceMan not with mine 😞
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I love a well written long post. But in college I did learn to put things eloquently while still sticking to the meat and potatoes.
val70 · 51-55
It's a sign of the times. We're actually spending too little time on what's really of use, only on things that have an use for the enviroment that we live in. Modern times. It's strangling good manners
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@val70 right. Which is ironic because individuality was the whole selling point of western civilization was it not?

Turns out that without community individuals become as withered and meek as crops grown in rocks.
val70 · 51-55
@CynicalSpaceMan Community isn't society, nor is modernity the way ahead. You're mixing up things. It's actually the individual that makes the group, and not the other way around. Plenty of great books on that. Try Huxley's Brave new world
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@val70

I just have a different perspective on it is all.

I'm a believer that people are products of their environment, and that societies are like factories that churn out people.

People with traits selected for by said society; people being a reflection of the society that created them.

If people are becoming stunted and one dimensional, it is because society is prioritizing things that lead to such traits being necessary for survival within it.

Things that erode community and thus erode the material that people are made of. The medium they grow in.

Its like a sociological dust bowl effect.

Im more in the Murray Bookchin's ecology of freedom rabbit-hole.
depends on the post. some people have a good story to tell and some just ramble on saying absolutely nothing.
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@MayorOfCrushtown right. Or they say the same thing over and over but with different words.

Like bro, you told the whole story in the first 4 sentences. Why are we rolling this deep down the page?
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@MayorOfCrushtown Or they just parrot something incredibly unoriginal and impersonal.
pride49 · 31-35, M
Chatgpt gives lots of information I read it all for some reason
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@pride49 I tend to have a higher tolerance with it too.

I think it is because what it says is so relevant to you since you are the prompter of its speech.

That said, even there i have limits lol. I specifically ask it to be concise.

Not just because i like it better, but to help me in that pursuit as well.
pride49 · 31-35, M
@CynicalSpaceMan I absorb all the information so I can become a smarty mcsmartypants 🤓
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@pride49 its flow is also very good; which helps with length.

I try to learn that from it.
YoMomma ·
i have a short attention span myself but occasionally i find something interesting enough for a deep read.. but not often
jehova · 36-40, M
Most people’s attention span is less than 4 paragraphs and/or about 1 to 2 minutes. Therefore long form posts are less common
HoeBag · 51-55, F
@jehova There is all this talk about "People have short attention spans", but no one ever says, "Maybe the message is not worth reading".

If someone writes too much boring stuff, of course it won't get read.
jehova · 36-40, M
@HoeBag I’m prone to agree my attention span has certainly decreased since being a child. It seems a combination of memory saturation (my hard drive is full) over stimulation and constant interruption. I’ll be right back I’m getting a phone call.
Life is boring upon reaching high school (that was 2003 for me), everything is on repeat and becomes just kinda blah
HoeBag · 51-55, F
@jehova Things do become monotonous. We think somewhere, somehow, there is this fascinating life waiting for us.

It is not that people have short attention spans, it is just that a lot of stuff is boring.

Well like, how come people diagnosed with A.D.D. can somehow spend countless hours on a video game or whatever bull?
StarLily · 51-55, F
It's unfortunate.
CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@StarLily in some ways, yes, it is.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
People have very short attention spans in the me me me culture of instant gratification and validation that social media, online dating, etc created
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CynicalSpaceMan · 26-30, M
@durinsBane1983 thats a strong stance to take.

I can understand being thorough, but i do think the line between that and ranting/repetitiveness is very thin.

Not every informative text is justified in its length.

For example: ever read Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes?

I have. And it hurt so, so bad. I learned a lot but god the pain lol.

He is making the same key points over and over. Just beating the hell out of em.
HoeBag · 51-55, F
Why bother write a lot when no one is going to read it, or just give some lame "reaction"?

 
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