@ElwoodBlues The last time I replied to you, I mentioned some instrumental albums Frank Zappa released in the early 1980s collectively titled "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar". I even stated at the time that my reply was intended as a hint. Which you failed to correctly perceive. "Shut Up and Play Your Guitar" referred to YOU.
@theAlchemist You're an expert on Pharmas and law? Nope. The advice applies equally to you, and you continue to ignore it. Oops, I wasn't supposed to hold up that mirror, was I??
[b]Update[/b] LOL!!! The fool Alchemist blocked me when I pointed out his massive hypocrisy, [b]ROTFL!!![/b]
Through the roof. I live in the northeast US, and the infection count is the highest since the pandemic began. So far, hospitalization rates aren't setting records though.
On a personal note, I can now report that myself, my wife, and our two kids all got infected with Covid, but with such mild symptoms that at first we were sure it was a cold not Covid. BTW, my wife & I are vaxxed & boostered; our sons vaxxed only. It's only because my wife is super cautious that we did a rapid test and then 2 more. And then two of us got PCR tests.
Assuming this is omicron, it's insidious because our symptoms didn't include any Covid red flags - no loss of taste or smell, no measurable fever, only 1 headache in 4. Our symptoms did include scratchy or sore throats, coughing, runny nose, and a day of real tiredness / lethargy; plus I had some chills on my lethargic day. Most of that is consistent with a bad cold or a mild flu - no Covid red flags. My symptoms started on the night of the 27th and as of the morning of the 30th I feel like I'm at the tail end of a cold with mild sniffles and a bit of cough. And, TBH, if this - vaccines + boosters + four days of cold symptoms - is the price I pay to have super-resistance, for me personally it's wholly worth the cost.
Back to the original question: I can see why Omicron is running wild. If you're vaccinated then it probably won't behave like Covid, which means if you're not careful, you can easily become a spreader. So far the high vaccination rates around here are helping hold down hospitalization rates, but with another doubling or tripling of infection rates, hospitals might start to overflow anyway.
@ElwoodBlues Nice to hear the two doses are holding up; I don't think I'll personally be able to be eligible for my booster prior coming in contact with omicron, judging by the daily numbers we're reporting. Hopefully 2 Pfizers + likely undiagnosed infection with the wild type in Feb 2020 + omicron exposure will at least "boost" me enough for whatever variant has yet to come.
@RodionRomanovitch It's anecdotal, of course, but even preliminary studies seem to suggest the severity is significantly reduced. Let's wait and hope for the best, really, exposure will be unavoidable for everyone minus hermits I fear.
One thing I have noticed is everybody is downplaying symptoms and cracking it up to the common cold and those that care to get tested when around somebody who is sick get blasted for hogging up testing centers and urgent cares. Our society is really thoughtless and mean these days.
@CestManan I know. Some places have to have workers in the actual facility but I think the majority will work from home in some capacity moving forward for years to come. It’s better than the world coming to a stop. We see how that is working out for us with inflation and just having what we need on the shelves.
@Keepitsimple My job is such that working from home is just not possible.
Heh, what are cmpanies going to do in jobs where on-site is the only way? Are we going to have portable capsules?
We know how most companies are. In the past, one could be puking green and the boss would be like, "Get to work anyways! I come to work sick all the time!"
@CestManan we just have to do the best we can while we go through this and be more patient and understanding with each other and businesses. Everybody is struggling :(
in the USA numbers are at an all time high. locally the hospitals are full and the ER's at both hospitals are diverting ambulances with non severe symptoms. local schools are going to virtual learning when they reopen after the first. my fear is it's going to be a long winter and my worry is for doctors and staff working to control this.
@saragoodtimes They have been saying all this since March 2020.
Here is the curious part - They keep saying students are going to "e-learning" (like the little shits are going to learn anything either way) but haven't they ALREADY been "e-learning" since Mar 2020?
It is kind of like when someone is 10 minutes away but haven't arrived yet and every time you text they say, "I am walking out the door right now".
@iamonfire696 Also here, but there's the alternative of "testing negative every 2 days" or even worse "recovering from natural infection". The latter has generated parties in the far north in which people got themselves infected purposefully to skip getting the jab 🤦♂️
@kandy You could've said you're a rabid pro-covid alt-rightwinger, it would've been simpler and would've taken less characters to type, and we all know what it entails (denialism, poor logical/mathematical development, cognitive dissonance, psychological projection, persecution syndrome, disconnection from reality, Stockholm syndrome leading to taking the defense of a virus to "own the libs", temporarily embarrassed millionaire syndrome, among others)
In any case this post is about covid and so was my reply, but I guess when one doesn't have better arguments ad-hominem argumenting becomes a must.
* EDIT: Wording, was unfair to non-rabid, non-pro-covid, non-alt rightwingers.
@kandy Don't worry, I'll do when I'll start feeling persecuted by the autistic, the gay, the trans, the disabled and the muslims. And/or trying to bend arithmetic to my political agenda lmao
Hitting the record of new cases since the pandemic started every day.
So far hospitalizations and ICU only slightly increasing, consistently with the situation reported in other Omicron-prevalent regions. We'll see what happens. If omicron has the same likelihood as delta of screwing even asymptomatic/paucisymptomatic people up with long-covid it'll be a disaster.
@Elessar 😂😂😂 asymptotic. Bloody hell, thought you'd have given that up by now. Genuine headline "hospital overrun with asymptomatic people". It's a monty python sketch but y'all are making it your reality. Weird
They are a joke as always. The tests they have are not at all accurate and can't tell the difference between covid and a cold. No one is in the hospital because of it so who really cares.
@Nelladell You see the same psychology now as you did in the beginnings of Nazi Germany. Great fear and common enemy with only one solution so everyone must conform. And once again the target is Christians and Jews who look beyond the grave. They are in the way of mass conformity so they must be eliminated.
@Nelladell [quote]Is it true that hospitals are paid thousands of dollars each time they list covid as cause of death?[/quote] No, that's not true, and the lack of truth is why HJ can't substantiate the claim.
If other causes of death were being mis-reported then that would show up in end of year deaths statistics. With that in mind, take a look at 6 years of US cause of death data ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than in any of the prior years? Notice how almost all causes of death increase in 2020? In short, there's zero evidence for mis-reported causes of death.
Nearly 6000 new case today in a population of close to six million. I know thats good by world standards. But it does show the folly of abandoning Lockdowns. New South Wales more of less sealed the countries fate by quitting first. After that the virus has leaked out everywhere. They had 21,000 new cases today and the responce was to reduce testing, presumably to keep the official numbers down.😷
@KiwiBird Oh I do..While it could be worse.. I look at America..... Then look at New Zealand and wonder if they will rent up their PM for a few years.😷
@whowasthatmaskedman NZ was included in the Federation paperwork, it was also part of the Colony of NSW at one stage. However tyranny of distance and being Free Settlers they thought Yeah-Nah.
@KiwiBird And they were dealing with a vastly different native population. One they made a treat with. I wont argue the rights or wrongs of how Oz dealt with the locals. Its Shameful. But right or wrong Jacinta represents her people. Scotty from Marketting pushes his next campaign.😷
Our daughter went to emergency room with symptoms of bronchitis, which she has been having at least once a year. Test for covid came back positive. She asked if it could be a false positive and was told that it probably was. But it seems the protocol is to stop there. They tested for nothing else, listed her illness as covid, and treated her with antibiotics for bronchitis. So maybe covid is sometimes treated witch antibiotics. Anyhow, her illness want away, just as her bronchitis always went away after antibiotic treatment.
@SumKindaMunster Importantly, even in regions that have been affected by omicron for a while, to exclude the "hospitalizations will raise three weeks or later since the raise of infections" argument. It appears also that Omicron confers cross-protection against Delta, so the immune escape is asymmetrical for some reasons (which is of course good news).
Most of my remaining concern is in long-covid (haven't read anything about it so far in regards to Omicron, guess it's still early considering that it tends to emerge weeks/months later, after recovery), and the increased likelihood to have a worse escaping VoC from all these cases.
We got lots of it with the Omicron driving things, less severe, lower hospitalization rate, but because of the shear numbers even with lower rates and less severe illness the few that have a worse case is causing problems for the hospitals.
At home in 🇨🇦And where I live no deaths and low numbers . I am in MT 🇺🇸these days with my husband and their numbers seem to be doubling but less hospitalization. Any way you cut it… it’s a cluster fuk! Not sure how I will be able to travel back home as there are stringent border rules and a shortage on tests🤦♀️.
@CestManan no, they haven't said that since the beginning. We've had just about enough for most of the pandemic. You are right that our government's aim is to keep the hospitals full, but never before did we need twice as many as we have available.
Just starting to spike. My heart goes out to the doctors and nurses going through this and forbid you have a child next to someone at school that is infected. We have to take this seriously. The piling up of bodies is worse than all of the previous war casualties.
@Pfuzylogic I've got a cousin who is a sister in a large general hospital. She's been through this hell once already , as well as losing her own father. Now she's saying the icu is full of the unvaccinated. I'm out of patience with these idiots. They should tell them to either get themselves vaccinated or go drink some bleach or inject dewormer or whatever other bullshit they believe. Fuck 'em all as far as I'm concerned , they're a menace to all of us.
@RodionRomanovitch My concern is not only for those working in the war zone of the hospital going past capacity. The patients that normally need the hospital can’t get in because all of the beds are full. Indiana University hospital , the largest hospital in Indiana needed the Navy to come in and rescue Hoosiers from the disease since their normal staff became overwhelmed. This same state has one of the lowest vaccination rates.
my personal first hand experience...going in wrong direction. 18 months no one was sick...today 1/3 my coworkers have had it. numerous people i known a lifetime are now deceased. just matter of time i get it im certain thru no fault of my own.
People at work are mad, my work is going by what CDC is saying people at work wants to take full 2 weeks of but it’s only a week now. CDC say this virus is just contagious it went from 10 days to 5 days quarantine
I have no idea .I have stopped listening to the news a couple of months ago it was always so depressing . I have no idea about anything and dont want to know .
@Rhode57 You ain't missing anything. Just a bunch of overly groomed idiots with big smiles talking about depressing stuff while carnival-sounding music plays
@MarineBob However, I'm not seeing record rates of hospitalization. I posted elsewhere in this question about myself & immediate family who all tested positive just after Xmas but without any Covid red flag symptoms; more like a cold. I credit the vaccines with putting us in a position to have easy cases & mild symptoms when we finally did get infected.
@CestManan [quote]They are always saying "record numbers" and have been since day one. It is a broken record at this point[/quote] Actually, that's not true. As the graph below shows, we just recently exceeded the peak set in Jan 2021 (current 7 day avg = 301,475). We truly have set a new record (and probably will continue to for the next couple weeks) so the claim is entirely truthful. And, because tests have become scarce, the reported numbers are probably an undercount.
[c=800000]Who knows what to believe? On the one hand, they say omicron is a mild variant. On the other hand, there are concerns they country may be shut down again in three weeks or a month because it is so contagious. 🤔 [/c]
Infections recorded 909 per day averaged over the last fourteen days, declining trend. 107 in intensive care today, 48 dead in the last week. Total population about 5.5 million. See https://www.vg.no/spesial/corona/
@PTCdresser57 Of course the Tesla, house, and the kid's latest DUI won't pay for itself so yeah it would take a lot of money and hours.
Also get this - I know someone who caught covid and they were trying to get her to go to the hospital. Well if hospitals are already completely full, why are they telling more people to go?
