westwiiler · 51-55, M
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bijouxbroussard · F
I just think that to continue with white privilege and that white people have been in charge is a slap in the face to all the African-Americans who busted their asses to achieve what they did.
It recognizes all the achievements that one can have and still have to deal with being followed around and stopped in stores, accused of having stolen one's own car or trying to break into one's own house. We trade anecdotes like this all the time, and I don't expect you to understand.
I hate questions like because it brings out the divide. You don't really want to know what people think based upon their experiences.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@westwiiler The world has come a long way, for sure, and people from all walks of life have proved their ability to be successful. Whether that is 'in spite of' discrimination faced, or due to a genuinely more tolerant and less prejudiced society, I'm not sure but my feeling is that both play a part.
westwiiler · 51-55, M
@bijouxbroussard you're right. That is the ONE white privilege that is real. The rest is bigotry and fear, I suppose. I don't know what that is like. I mean, I've been with POC and followed because of looking like a stoner, but not because of my color. I was pissed then, and I would defend my friends now.
Thanks for the perspective, that was probably the first time I've had it put to me like that.
Thanks for the perspective, that was probably the first time I've had it put to me like that.
kate21 · 26-30, F
Because someone named Emily is going to have an easier time getting a job/mortgage/probation than someone named Rasheeda even if they have the same resume/credit/criminal record.
I don’t like calling it “privilege” because I think privileges are extras and these are things everybody should have, not extras.
But the underlying concept is accurate.
I don’t like calling it “privilege” because I think privileges are extras and these are things everybody should have, not extras.
But the underlying concept is accurate.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@kate21 I figured your response would be a flat dismissal. So be it. However, I worked in job recruiting and mortgage origination and I can assure you what you assume is not true.
If anything, it's exactly the opposite. People want to hire POC and give them mortgages and will typically give them more consideration over a white person because they are required to meet certain quotas on this by the US Government.
If anything, it's exactly the opposite. People want to hire POC and give them mortgages and will typically give them more consideration over a white person because they are required to meet certain quotas on this by the US Government.
westwiiler · 51-55, M
@kate21 if you say so. I see it everyday. My white servers make more tips from the black customer then my black servers from the Black customers. So, I guess that could be white privilege, but how do you explain the African-American Community not supporting the African-American workers? And my African-American servers are far better than some of my white servers.
@redheadchick I don't think you understand what the the phrase refers to.
redheadchick · 31-35
@firefall how though?
westwiiler · 51-55, M
@redheadchick and it starts..... LoL....I tend to agree, but it's kind of like arguing with a brick wall.
redheadchick · 31-35
@westwiiler @firefall apparently, he's got nothing 🤷🏼♀️
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Graylight Addictions and Mental Health counseling are areas of social justice. You are exposed to people who would believe and promote the concept of white privilege quite vigorously, and I am sure you have been influenced by that.
Because what impacts any group of people impacts everyone in some way or another.
Does it? Perhaps in a very holistic, new agey way, but no offense, if a POC feels slighted because they can't find a bandaid in their flesh tone, that has absolutely no impact on me.
That's self evident and doesn't need to be stated. But why are you so concerned about whether or not I choose to believe in this concept? If my belief is not required, what do you care if I choose to express contempt and skepticism about this concept?
Finally, why do you think I haven't investigated or educated myself on the subject? Because I don't agree with you? That's pretty presumptuous. Aren't you treating me in much the same way that POCs complain about? Making assumptions about who I am, what my education level is, and how much I choose to "investigate" about an issue? Aren't you exhibiting the same type of behavior you are so adamant is happening in society right now?
Because what impacts any group of people impacts everyone in some way or another.
Does it? Perhaps in a very holistic, new agey way, but no offense, if a POC feels slighted because they can't find a bandaid in their flesh tone, that has absolutely no impact on me.
I might not have learned to recognize it and understand it for what it is and its impacts if not for having studied it. It exists. It has impact. Your belief is not required.
That's self evident and doesn't need to be stated. But why are you so concerned about whether or not I choose to believe in this concept? If my belief is not required, what do you care if I choose to express contempt and skepticism about this concept?
Finally, why do you think I haven't investigated or educated myself on the subject? Because I don't agree with you? That's pretty presumptuous. Aren't you treating me in much the same way that POCs complain about? Making assumptions about who I am, what my education level is, and how much I choose to "investigate" about an issue? Aren't you exhibiting the same type of behavior you are so adamant is happening in society right now?
Graylight · 51-55, F
Mental health falls under behavioral health services. While there's some interaction - in some positions - with social programs, it's not social justice.
Why do I feel you haven't availed yourself of information out there regarding this issue? Because you present no logical counterpoint, no evidence to suggest it's not a problem or doesn't affect everyone societally. You simply call it propaganda and state that it doesn't affect you and because of that isn't a worthwhile issue.
Why do I feel you haven't availed yourself of information out there regarding this issue? Because you present no logical counterpoint, no evidence to suggest it's not a problem or doesn't affect everyone societally. You simply call it propaganda and state that it doesn't affect you and because of that isn't a worthwhile issue.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Graylight It's social justice in the sense you are helping people who are victims of society. I noted you didn't refute my assumption that you would be exposed and influenced by people who have an agenda in promoting the concept of white privilege.
No logical counterpoint? I've asked you to consider that this is not really real and is merely a concept being promoted by malevolent forces in society. It's propaganda to diminish the contributions of white people in society. It's "racism" taken to the most ridiculous extreme.
Do you need evidence supporting that idea? I don't understand why you would need evidence of something like that. It would be tough to prove.
I will assume you have loads of "research" from academic institutions that support your position and this is what you will refer to as proof.
I've seen tons of academic research that can refute or promote pretty much any idea or concept in society. It really doesn't give you an edge, or prove anything, it just shows you know how to locate information from people who confirm your already existing biases.
I've noted you ignored the following question:
No logical counterpoint? I've asked you to consider that this is not really real and is merely a concept being promoted by malevolent forces in society. It's propaganda to diminish the contributions of white people in society. It's "racism" taken to the most ridiculous extreme.
Do you need evidence supporting that idea? I don't understand why you would need evidence of something like that. It would be tough to prove.
I will assume you have loads of "research" from academic institutions that support your position and this is what you will refer to as proof.
I've seen tons of academic research that can refute or promote pretty much any idea or concept in society. It really doesn't give you an edge, or prove anything, it just shows you know how to locate information from people who confirm your already existing biases.
I've noted you ignored the following question:
But why are you so concerned about whether or not I choose to believe in this concept? If my belief is not required, what do you care if I choose to express contempt and skepticism about this concept?
bijouxbroussard · F
Because in the Western world it is, in spite of some being oblivious to the fact. It's not about money, either. This post by scholar Peggy McIntosh breaks it down:
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
Because, historically, white people have been masters and black people their slaves and some still seem to hold the warped view that skin colour reflects the value or worthiness of a person. Until a short time ago I believed the world was getting much closer to burying racial discrimination for good but, unfortunately, there seems to have been a move in the opposite direction during the last couple of years and it has become worse again.
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fazer1k · 56-60, M
@SW-User I'm sure there's a lot of truth in what you say, especially
in the less affluent parts of the world. Anyone with more money seems to carry a higher status with most people in the world and capitalism effectively teaches us through experience that money buys respect and privilege. In the western world I believe racial discrimination has very little to do with resources and more to do with history, and the perception of an inherently racist system, though.
in the less affluent parts of the world. Anyone with more money seems to carry a higher status with most people in the world and capitalism effectively teaches us through experience that money buys respect and privilege. In the western world I believe racial discrimination has very little to do with resources and more to do with history, and the perception of an inherently racist system, though.
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Graylight · 51-55, F
White skin privilege is a transparent preference for whiteness that saturates our society. White skin privilege serves several functions. First, it provides white people with “perks” that we do not earn and that people of color do not enjoy. Second, it creates real advantages for us. White people are immune to a lot of challenges. Finally, white privilege shapes the world in which we live — the way that we navigate and interact with one another and with the world.
https://www.tolerance.org/professional-development/on-racism-and-white-privilege
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@GlitterBug Thanks. You prompted me to read it as well. What a bunch of SJW propaganda. She conflates "privilege" with "heritage" and assumes that black and POC viewpoints are more valid than others because she believes they are victims of "white privilege".
White privilege exists, because certain people believe it exists and those viewpoints are being honored,legitimized and codified in today's society.
It's propaganda, and I encourage you to ignore people who claim you are privileged because you are "white". There are plenty of white people who can't claim these privileges that this woman is saying all white people have. Many of these people have more privileges then whites but they ignore that because it doesn't benefit them or fit in with what they already believe.
White privilege exists, because certain people believe it exists and those viewpoints are being honored,legitimized and codified in today's society.
It's propaganda, and I encourage you to ignore people who claim you are privileged because you are "white". There are plenty of white people who can't claim these privileges that this woman is saying all white people have. Many of these people have more privileges then whites but they ignore that because it doesn't benefit them or fit in with what they already believe.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@GlitterBug These examples are what's called microaggression, tiny infractions and messages that are so subtle as to be unconscious. Piled up, they make a demonstrative impact, and there's more than ample research to back this up. If you lived in a world that required constant translation or adjustment, minute but relentless, you would probably be impacted as well.
This, like any issue, has complexities most people never even want to consider or know exist.
This, like any issue, has complexities most people never even want to consider or know exist.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Graylight I'm aware of the terms that surround this issue.
Or, as I asked in another section, maybe they don't exist or are so minuscule as to not really matter, but the concepts are being promoted by malevolent forces in society, that also conveniently have a solution.
This, like any issue, has complexities most people never even want to consider or know exist.
Or, as I asked in another section, maybe they don't exist or are so minuscule as to not really matter, but the concepts are being promoted by malevolent forces in society, that also conveniently have a solution.
royalblue1193 · 31-35, M
westwiiler · 51-55, M
@royalblue1193 but why do you had to treat people with respect if they give it to you.? Why not just treat people with respect because that's how you would want to be treated?
royalblue1193 · 31-35, M
@westwiiler i agree
bijouxbroussard · F
@royalblue1193 Are you a person of color who has had that experience ? I’m honestly curious.
Because it is. Some people corelate privilege and racism. It has nothing to do with it. It refers to things that a group might have access to while a different group doesn't. There's male privilege, beautiful people privilege, tall privilege, and yes white privilege.
Also there's black privilege to. Depending on the circles people move in about.
Also there's black privilege to. Depending on the circles people move in about.
bijouxbroussard · F
wakanda4eva · 26-30, F
Indulge · 41-45, F
The "white privilege" is not just a belief in some countries its real facts. Its not because of being Caucasian just the white colour of the skin, I am referring to an Asian country where being white is admired and praised, where doors of opportunity opens up for them because of the colour of their skin. Being white is a sign of wealth in this country because if you are white it means you have money, you had a good education, work a white collar job in an office building, not labouring in the sun. The dark skin is not favoured because they deem them as poor class, no money or education. Even all the skin care products, (soaps and lotions have bleaching ingredients in them) all in the hope that their dark complexion can be rectified to be white.
Its not racism if they are the same nationality but it definitely is prejudice according to skin colour.
Its not racism if they are the same nationality but it definitely is prejudice according to skin colour.
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veridane79 · 26-30, F
redheadchick · 31-35
@Fernie there are white people who care.
bijouxbroussard · F
@redheadchick I know that’s true. But it’s not the same as experiencing the difference firsthand.
SW-User
I lived in the most segregated area of the US for just over 15 years.
I’ve seen people so many times hassled or questioned for being black. (Or Indian because the cops can’t tell the difference...)
I’ve had to hold back my own anxieties and biases sometimes because it’s the mature thing to do. It was always the right thing to do because whatever my hyperactive brain was saying was wrong.
I’ve seen people so many times hassled or questioned for being black. (Or Indian because the cops can’t tell the difference...)
I’ve had to hold back my own anxieties and biases sometimes because it’s the mature thing to do. It was always the right thing to do because whatever my hyperactive brain was saying was wrong.
NankerPhelge · 61-69, M
I don't recognise what that is.
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
Some do, I think I can see where it comes from but I think they also fail to realize the majority of white people arent as privileged as they say. Like for example I would be considered privileged because I’m a middle class white girl, but they don’t really think about the fact that my father worked his ass off so that I could have the life that I do, same with my mom etc. Has nothing to do with race in my opinion, it’s about the effort and lifestyle.
Fernie · F
@GlitterBug How many innocent white people have the cops killed lately??..shall we count....ZERO! Wake up child! If your skin is white...your life is more valuable in this warped society...that is what the "Black Lives Matter" movement is ALL about. No doubt YOU are a privileged white girl
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
@Fernie lmao maybe black people shouldn’t generally come from backgrounds that are sketchy as fuck. Maybe they shouldn’t talk like they’re a gangbanger. Check some statistics on black communities my friend. Though even so, the police need to have the restraint to avoid those accidents. Doesn’t matter the way someone looks or talks, the error is with the police officers.
The black lives matter movement is a joke and I’ll tell you why: when you have a message as important as saving peoples lives, running around a city threatening any white person walking by, destroying cars and businesses etc you are not going to get your message across, let alone taken seriously.
What do you think makes me privileged, since you’re able to judge me so very accurately. It’s as if you knew me lol
The black lives matter movement is a joke and I’ll tell you why: when you have a message as important as saving peoples lives, running around a city threatening any white person walking by, destroying cars and businesses etc you are not going to get your message across, let alone taken seriously.
What do you think makes me privileged, since you’re able to judge me so very accurately. It’s as if you knew me lol
RaemaSnr · 26-30, F
@westwiiler yeah. It goes in all races
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Because it is. Privilege like this should be understood that rather than a benefit, it is the absence of a disadvantage. Frankly, we should use a different word.
Everyone has millions of problems - you just have to deal with one less if you're white because being non-white is an extra disadvantage in our society.
Everyone has millions of problems - you just have to deal with one less if you're white because being non-white is an extra disadvantage in our society.
sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
same reason anything is a thing. it's just hating, people WANT to hate because the reality fails them.
(most of us are mixed race on this planet and that truth leaves them drooling like feeble minded gerbil inserters and that makes it harder for them to find another excuse to do battle with.)
i guess these types have nothing else better to do.
(most of us are mixed race on this planet and that truth leaves them drooling like feeble minded gerbil inserters and that makes it harder for them to find another excuse to do battle with.)
i guess these types have nothing else better to do.
NankerPhelge · 61-69, M
@Ladyryan Why do you think that is, Ladyryan?
Ladyryan · 51-55, F
@NankerPhelge It’s a kind of mindset, white race are more superior than other race, nothing less than that. PTA clubs, work place/job interviews, or at any simple gatherings,
NankerPhelge · 61-69, M
@Ladyryan I've never understood it. I knew when I was in junior school that people are still people regardless of race, so why not treat them equally? I don't get where that mindset comes from.
PotPrincess1 · 36-40, M
Most of the homeless people in my country are whites. I blame those blacks and Asians for being so privileged