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The slaves were freed by the republicans.

In accordance with their philosophy:
Personal and financial freedom and independence.

The democrats wanted to keep slavery.. in accordance with their philosophy: you are a helpless victim and need to be taken care of (as long as you work/vote for us)

These philosophies haven’t changed.

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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP

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SW-User

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout oh snap!!

hunkalove · 70-79, M

The Republican Party was the Liberal party back then. It changed a few years later.

SW-User

@hunkalove I would have been a proud republican back then

SW-User

Democrats were southern conservatives back then.

Republicans were liberals. Some republicans were actually called radicals for their opposition to the Mexican war, to slavery, and pro african ameeican voting rights.

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GardenSage · 36-40, M

the political spectrum is a constant.

Only the government moves around it.
The philosophies remain consistent. You can’t parry around it.

Liberals try because they are in denial about what that philosophy means for them.

You’re a slave bro

SW-User

@GardenSage philosophies do not remain constant. Nothing remains constant. The world and people are ever shifting. The philosophy itself might remain the same, but the people change. Governments change as well as constituents. If things were constant this world would be a lot more simple.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

@SW-User ok... well
You’re wrong.

The spectrum IS a constant, like spacetime, like death, like mass and energy... like the spectrum of light- it starts with infrared and ends in ultraviolet.... you cannot add. You cannot take away.

Like I said it’s the government (the people) who move around the spectrum..

MistyCee

Gosh, and I thought it was so much more complicated. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

True words aren’t eloquent.
Eloquent words aren’t true.
Lao Tzu, The Tao te Ching

It’s often the simple answer that is correct @MistyCee

Ynotisay · M

I'm not sure you're too up to speed on this one bud.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

@Ynotisay pretty sure I am... funny how only liberals believe in this elusively pin-pointed party switch

Ynotisay · M

@GardenSage You're a joke.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

@Ynotisay and you’re a slave

Notmesam

Then the southern democrats left the party in droves due to the influx of new black voters during the civil rights movement. The newly elected dems catered to the black vote and the old gaurd either left or did so as well.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

@Notmesam the philosophies haven’t changed.

ViciDraco · 41-45, M

The parties have actually changed quite a bit since then. Theodore Roosevelt was pretty good as a progressive republican which are pretty much unheard of these days. And the anti slavery group were known as radical republicans and were at odds with the conservative and moderate factions of the party at the time. Really it feels like both parties have squeezed all the good elements out and we're just left with trash on both sides.

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GardenSage · 36-40, M

@ViciDraco they aren’t “republicans”

They are classic conservatives which fit neatly in the center of the spectrum where they uniquely understand balance as juxtaposed to those who adopt extremes

ViciDraco · 41-45, M

@GardenSage libertarians are classical liberals, the term liberal originally from liberty. Which is indeed very different from the modern liberal. The term liberal was pretty much stolen and co-opted from the libertarians. But at this point it seems your grasp on political history is rather severely colored by the talking points of present day pundits with agendas to push than it is on actual fact. Social conservatism is just as antithetical to libertarian philosophy as liberal economic policy is. It's just hard to see since the current libertarian party has by and large been hijacked by tea party republicans.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

@ViciDraco I don’t disagree... but my perspectives are objective and haven’t been influenced in any way except for the results I see when I personally apply the philosophies to my own life

SW-User

And now, some republicans believe slavery was not bad.

GardenSage · 36-40, M

@SW-User everything has pros and cons.

Everything.

lorne13 · 61-69, M

that is pathetic

GardenSage · 36-40, M

Actually I think it’s quite UN-pathetic @lorne13

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