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SomeMichGuy · M
@Theyitis OMG I am NOT jealous of YOU! 😉😆😆😆😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
[quote]you have another [b]think[/b] coming.[/quote]
I sure intend to, many times!
Look, I don't know you from Adam, but I *have* met a few people who would continue to push the narrative that they were geniuses.
One was a graduate student in a PhD program. I tried to help him prepare for an oral qualifying exam. He tended to emit statements of the form, "And of COURSE we know <x>" a bit. The problem was that, for THESE statements, his <x> was ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS. So I tried to warn him, tried to help him, showed him how to control the pace...but he kept doing that, so I--as a stand-in for the panel--would ask him to prove it, and he would go further and further down a hole trying to prove things which were simply not so. He NEVER realized that he was EVER wrong. And he cheated on his homework. He didn't pass the qualifying exam, and, instead, said something about "his timeline", left, and joined the Navy. I hope he is not in charge of serious weaponry, but I think he's an officer, which makes me cringe.
But as for attitude displayed against you... I am not unintelligent, but I have met people who have done really amazing things, so I'll say that I have been around some actual geniuses.
It's like night and day.
What gets under my skin is parents who say, and actually BELIEVE that their child is a genius, when they have NO clue what genius looks like. I always consider the example of Newton, and the kids presented didn't and haven't even remotely measured up.
You have now insisted a few times that you are a genius. My personal impression--I am not privy to any IQ tests you may have taken, I don't administer or interpret them, I am talking from my own personal experience as someone who attended one of the schools mentioned by @sarabee1995--is that you are only a genius in the art of self-delusion. And fixating on it does not seem to help you, personally, or in your interactions.
So why not just be you, and do what you can to keep using your brain...? If you keep learning new areas, it helps your plasticity and gives you a broader base of knowledge which upon which your mind can draw to see & understand patterns, solve problems, make observations, etc.
It makes a lot more sense to do THOSE things than to engage in what you have done here, and it would help move the needle in the proper direction. And it would boost your self-esteem in a healthy way, and, through these activities, you might meet people whom you didn't entirely dismiss, and you might even have friendships and even more intimate relationships.
Go off and do amazing things!
(And no, a high IQ does not imply that the bearer MUST have the social arena as his/her kryptonite or Achilles' heel. But you will think what you will think.)
[quote]you have another [b]think[/b] coming.[/quote]
I sure intend to, many times!
Look, I don't know you from Adam, but I *have* met a few people who would continue to push the narrative that they were geniuses.
One was a graduate student in a PhD program. I tried to help him prepare for an oral qualifying exam. He tended to emit statements of the form, "And of COURSE we know <x>" a bit. The problem was that, for THESE statements, his <x> was ALWAYS wrong. ALWAYS. So I tried to warn him, tried to help him, showed him how to control the pace...but he kept doing that, so I--as a stand-in for the panel--would ask him to prove it, and he would go further and further down a hole trying to prove things which were simply not so. He NEVER realized that he was EVER wrong. And he cheated on his homework. He didn't pass the qualifying exam, and, instead, said something about "his timeline", left, and joined the Navy. I hope he is not in charge of serious weaponry, but I think he's an officer, which makes me cringe.
But as for attitude displayed against you... I am not unintelligent, but I have met people who have done really amazing things, so I'll say that I have been around some actual geniuses.
It's like night and day.
What gets under my skin is parents who say, and actually BELIEVE that their child is a genius, when they have NO clue what genius looks like. I always consider the example of Newton, and the kids presented didn't and haven't even remotely measured up.
You have now insisted a few times that you are a genius. My personal impression--I am not privy to any IQ tests you may have taken, I don't administer or interpret them, I am talking from my own personal experience as someone who attended one of the schools mentioned by @sarabee1995--is that you are only a genius in the art of self-delusion. And fixating on it does not seem to help you, personally, or in your interactions.
So why not just be you, and do what you can to keep using your brain...? If you keep learning new areas, it helps your plasticity and gives you a broader base of knowledge which upon which your mind can draw to see & understand patterns, solve problems, make observations, etc.
It makes a lot more sense to do THOSE things than to engage in what you have done here, and it would help move the needle in the proper direction. And it would boost your self-esteem in a healthy way, and, through these activities, you might meet people whom you didn't entirely dismiss, and you might even have friendships and even more intimate relationships.
Go off and do amazing things!
(And no, a high IQ does not imply that the bearer MUST have the social arena as his/her kryptonite or Achilles' heel. But you will think what you will think.)
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy Love this comment. And agree with it all.
I'm definitely not in the 170+ range, but I was tested back in middle and high school when my brother and I were part of some lame study of high functioning twins. So I know what my IQ was ten years ago. It is something I NEVER discuss.
But I think it is a fairly common skillset of intelligent people to recognize intelligence in others. You didn't need to tell us that you attended one of the schools I mentioned and it comes as no surprise to me at all. Your written communication ability and style as well as the ideas you put forth all tell me that you are an intellectual.
And I've known Yulia and Kiwi for years. They are among the most intelligent people on SW. I think (suspect) Yulia might actually test highest among us all.
And yet, our friend here calls out you three as being [b]jealous[/b] of his intelligence? I know he suffers from imprecise word choices, but how can the three of you be "jealous" of his intelligence? This statement is nonsensical.
I'm definitely not in the 170+ range, but I was tested back in middle and high school when my brother and I were part of some lame study of high functioning twins. So I know what my IQ was ten years ago. It is something I NEVER discuss.
But I think it is a fairly common skillset of intelligent people to recognize intelligence in others. You didn't need to tell us that you attended one of the schools I mentioned and it comes as no surprise to me at all. Your written communication ability and style as well as the ideas you put forth all tell me that you are an intellectual.
And I've known Yulia and Kiwi for years. They are among the most intelligent people on SW. I think (suspect) Yulia might actually test highest among us all.
And yet, our friend here calls out you three as being [b]jealous[/b] of his intelligence? I know he suffers from imprecise word choices, but how can the three of you be "jealous" of his intelligence? This statement is nonsensical.
SomeMichGuy · M
@sarabee1995 Well, you said some very kind things, and thanks. But this is the biggest compliment:
[quote]Love this comment. And agree with it all.[/quote]
Thank you. 😊
[quote]Love this comment. And agree with it all.[/quote]
Thank you. 😊
LeopoldBloom · M
SomeMichGuy · M
I think some good points raised both elsewhere in replies to your post, and here, are:
1) [u]What score range[/u] do you consider to be a "high" IQ? Anything over 1 σ out? Two σ's? Three? Four?
2) [u]How do you know[/u] whether or not someone has what you consider to be a "high IQ"?
3) [u]What do you mean[/u] by "a bit off"?
4) [u]What are your examples[/u], (since it seems you have some set of persons in mind)?
I think that these would help better define the parameters of the experiences you have had which feed into the generation of this post.
1) [u]What score range[/u] do you consider to be a "high" IQ? Anything over 1 σ out? Two σ's? Three? Four?
2) [u]How do you know[/u] whether or not someone has what you consider to be a "high IQ"?
3) [u]What do you mean[/u] by "a bit off"?
4) [u]What are your examples[/u], (since it seems you have some set of persons in mind)?
I think that these would help better define the parameters of the experiences you have had which feed into the generation of this post.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy So assuming no bunching (and obviously there is some), approximately [b][i]one[/i][/b] out of every 4000+ people you meet would be 170+.
I wonder if we could estimate how many of these 170+'s are congregated at MIT and Stamford and Harvard, and therefore not among the general population? Would that then be one out of 10,000 people?
And then, I would wonder about the odds of one person in, say, Missouri meeting "several" 170+'s?
Sorry. Curiosity is, indeed, a curse sometimes.
I wonder if we could estimate how many of these 170+'s are congregated at MIT and Stamford and Harvard, and therefore not among the general population? Would that then be one out of 10,000 people?
And then, I would wonder about the odds of one person in, say, Missouri meeting "several" 170+'s?
Sorry. Curiosity is, indeed, a curse sometimes.
SomeMichGuy · M
@sarabee1995 Yes, that's an incredibly interesting thing.
And you have to also consider that the set of "brains which could hit IQs >= 170" also has people who don't get the proper prenatal care, or proper bodily nutrition, or perhaps the chance to be fed intellectually, or die of preventable diseases...etc. So that people with those brains from socio-economically DISadvantaged backgrounds, countries, regions also are seeds which never come to full fruition.
So the numbers are depressed in some areas...which is depressing. What if a couple of kids from the middle of Sub-Saharan Africa would would have figured out some amazing global warming solutions, etc., died of malaria in the past few years...or another few starved in the horn of Africa...or died in a filthy slum nearly anywhere...
I'm not sure that people in nations like ours have ever thought, seriously, about the loss of talent from our lack of a comprehensive, world-wide public health system, and an inability to bring clean water, air, and reliable food to much more of the globe.
A century ago, the obvious & vast loss of talent due to the death tolls from WWI were noted with a mass sense of how much light had left the world. I haven't come across the same sense of loss of talent being mourned after WWII; I guess people *do* become jaded all-too-quickly.
And you have to also consider that the set of "brains which could hit IQs >= 170" also has people who don't get the proper prenatal care, or proper bodily nutrition, or perhaps the chance to be fed intellectually, or die of preventable diseases...etc. So that people with those brains from socio-economically DISadvantaged backgrounds, countries, regions also are seeds which never come to full fruition.
So the numbers are depressed in some areas...which is depressing. What if a couple of kids from the middle of Sub-Saharan Africa would would have figured out some amazing global warming solutions, etc., died of malaria in the past few years...or another few starved in the horn of Africa...or died in a filthy slum nearly anywhere...
I'm not sure that people in nations like ours have ever thought, seriously, about the loss of talent from our lack of a comprehensive, world-wide public health system, and an inability to bring clean water, air, and reliable food to much more of the globe.
A century ago, the obvious & vast loss of talent due to the death tolls from WWI were noted with a mass sense of how much light had left the world. I haven't come across the same sense of loss of talent being mourned after WWII; I guess people *do* become jaded all-too-quickly.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SomeMichGuy I actually think about that a lot.
My work allows me to travel through quite a large swath of southeastern Europe and southwestern Asia. I see and meet talented people all the time who are malnourished and living in unsanitary conditions.
As a global human population, we are losing so much talent at a time when we cannot afford to.
My work allows me to travel through quite a large swath of southeastern Europe and southwestern Asia. I see and meet talented people all the time who are malnourished and living in unsanitary conditions.
As a global human population, we are losing so much talent at a time when we cannot afford to.
bijouxbroussard · F
@SW-User Makes sense.
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Yulianna · 22-25, F
@Myocite yes, i do know that. but i also know that nothing is everything, and we all miss things we wish we had, from others or within ourselves.
i do understand what you say about having fun, and yes, there are times to support one another, but there are also times to stand up, to call out nonsense, before it becomes part of someone's cited evidence.
i wish you peace. not something i expect for myself.
i do understand what you say about having fun, and yes, there are times to support one another, but there are also times to stand up, to call out nonsense, before it becomes part of someone's cited evidence.
i wish you peace. not something i expect for myself.
Myocite · F
@SomeMichGuy being comforted by talking about the weather
SomeMichGuy · M
@Myocite lol
Ah, yes. I think it is so...customary, that people like to follow a well-worn track because it gives them.a known something to do with strangers. So I believe it is more a measure of nearly universal concern/anxiety about meeting new people...so going down well-worn lanes provides a ready-made structure to give people a mutually non-threatening opening from which to feel out each other and get to know more.
Just a theory.
Most people are very uncomfortable talking about what sort of cause, person, etc.--if anything--they would die for, esp. without knowing that they can trust the person asking. So I think many people use low level tests to see if a new other person might be trust-worthy.
The setting, of course, helps...
Ah, yes. I think it is so...customary, that people like to follow a well-worn track because it gives them.a known something to do with strangers. So I believe it is more a measure of nearly universal concern/anxiety about meeting new people...so going down well-worn lanes provides a ready-made structure to give people a mutually non-threatening opening from which to feel out each other and get to know more.
Just a theory.
Most people are very uncomfortable talking about what sort of cause, person, etc.--if anything--they would die for, esp. without knowing that they can trust the person asking. So I think many people use low level tests to see if a new other person might be trust-worthy.
The setting, of course, helps...
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SomeMichGuy · M
Thanks for your clarifications!
In our exchange, it seems as though your underlying concern, when you asked this, was that some serial killers have been reported to have very high IQs.
Serial killers being rather disturbing, you naturally wondered why standout persons of this terrible nature would have high IQs, leading to your question.
Is that about right?
In our exchange, it seems as though your underlying concern, when you asked this, was that some serial killers have been reported to have very high IQs.
Serial killers being rather disturbing, you naturally wondered why standout persons of this terrible nature would have high IQs, leading to your question.
Is that about right?
ElmerWilks · 36-40, M
@SomeMichGuy yes😀
SomeMichGuy · M
@ElmerWilks Thanks!
TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
Because they have never got so pissed at a student night out they can’t even remember the night out.
They just sit there sober wondering why other people are so stupid.
Now we’ll see how many people take me seriously.😀.
It’s still ruddy early.
I should be asleep.
This high IQ means my brain never switches off.....
They just sit there sober wondering why other people are so stupid.
Now we’ll see how many people take me seriously.😀.
It’s still ruddy early.
I should be asleep.
This high IQ means my brain never switches off.....
SomeMichGuy · M
@TheSirfurryanimalWales He was referring to the Monty Python Philosophers' Song...
TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy 😅
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMfCTBkMgKY]
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SomeMichGuy · M
Assuming that you are not highly polydactyl, I have personally interacted with more Nobel Prizewinners than you have fingers, including five before they were paid...
I have also been able to interact with amazing people both in Nobel categories and in other categories.
My own observation is that the people who are really at the top of their fields/endeavors are often either very nice or very nasty, without a lot of middle ground.
You will find this in biographical info about them, as well. Look up Shockley. Guy was an ass. A racist who tried to upstage a colleague & co-winner of their shared endeavor, and a guy who so mistreated everyone at his semiconductor company that...well, do you see advertising saying "you can trust it, because it has Shockley inside"?
Compare with, say, Schawlow. See what he did with his money.
I have also been able to interact with amazing people both in Nobel categories and in other categories.
My own observation is that the people who are really at the top of their fields/endeavors are often either very nice or very nasty, without a lot of middle ground.
You will find this in biographical info about them, as well. Look up Shockley. Guy was an ass. A racist who tried to upstage a colleague & co-winner of their shared endeavor, and a guy who so mistreated everyone at his semiconductor company that...well, do you see advertising saying "you can trust it, because it has Shockley inside"?
Compare with, say, Schawlow. See what he did with his money.
SomeMichGuy · M
@KiwiBird That was @WonderGirl1's question...
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@WonderGirl1 Pre-covid I usually spent some time each year in either Indonesia, Malaysia or Thailand I can tell you with certainty they are very very good drivers. The money exchangers do not count money very well and make mistakes that is not to say they are bad at math....just at trick the tourist.
SomeMichGuy · M
@WonderGirl1 I think that this is a generalization/stereotype based upon scant evidence, though
• learning is pushed, and/or
• academic accomplishments are widely celebrated
in at least several Asian places (Singapore for at least the latter).
A counter-example: a graduate "answer book" for problems in graduate electricity & magnetism created by Asians & published in Asia was written by people who had no understanding of the material whatsoever.
• learning is pushed, and/or
• academic accomplishments are widely celebrated
in at least several Asian places (Singapore for at least the latter).
A counter-example: a graduate "answer book" for problems in graduate electricity & magnetism created by Asians & published in Asia was written by people who had no understanding of the material whatsoever.
@samueltyler2 I lean more towards being artistic than Intelligence. I am a very good sales person though and bookkeeper. I don't know any real smart people. Most people I know who think they are smart keep putting it in my face. Which isn't very smart IMO.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@WonderGirl1 the best measurement of "intelligence," is not necessarily the result of a test. Self understanding is key.
@samueltyler2 I agree. wisdom comes with age if you let it happen. Some people hate change. I like it.
SomeMichGuy · M
@TeenAngel Actually, I bet the SmallTalk language was created by reasonably intelligent persons...
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uncalled4 · 56-60, M
I'm not sure that I know anyone with an extremely high IQ. I have, however, known people who are great at what they do, perhaps to an OCD level, so it seems almost mathematical that the further they went into one discipline, other areas, perhaps such as being social, became stunted or neglected.
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Myocite · F
@istillhaveanameitsrick so do I, and I have the same problem.
zork0000 · 56-60, M
@istillhaveanameitsrick Your job says nothing about your intelligence. Most high IQ people don't "live up to their potential".
I, myself, never had to do a bit of homework on high school and got a scholarship for engineering. I had zero study skills and discipline and so I flunked out.
I, myself, never had to do a bit of homework on high school and got a scholarship for engineering. I had zero study skills and discipline and so I flunked out.
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